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Zeke_B

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posted September 05, 2000 01:41 AM

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I've seen a couple of short-cycle threads where someone says what they are gonna try and someone else gives two cents, but no one seems to have any first hand experience with multiple short high dose cycles. I read something (by Borreson I think) recommending this type of cycle. Who here has tried??

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swol

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posted September 05, 2000 03:25 AM

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yes bro i have.
i did a day of dbol.
took 8 pills in 24 hours.
just kidding bro
no but i was thinking about it.
i heard good things about it.
but i would like to hear some first hand as well.
bros>?
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M!KAI

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posted September 05, 2000 12:26 PM

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Bro,
Im gonna Be doing a short cycle but not for another 6 months though Im just about to start a 12 week cycle then i need time off

But when i do I will post it here..!

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Maverik

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posted September 05, 2000 01:17 PM

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Big Truck did a short cycle and got pretty good results. I will be doing a whole bunch of short cycles in a 2 on/4 off pattern. I will definitely keep everyone updated.


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Work2Bbig

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posted September 05, 2000 01:23 PM

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I have heard that you should stay away from short cycles. The reasoning is that when you go for 8-12 weeks on gear, your body has time to accept the new amount of test, absorb it, and then grow up until you are off. Now I'm not saying that you cannot get good gains from a short cycle, but what it does is spike your test levels for a short time and just throws off your hormonal balance rather than creating a new testosterone level/balance. This tends to be harsh on your body bc of the adjusting and re-adjusting. I forgot most of the spacifics, but its this process that is the wear and tear on your bodies system. Just my thinking...

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Green

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posted September 05, 2000 01:27 PM

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I did a 5 week cycle of test/eq with great results. 600mg/T200 and 300mg/Eq. Tapered last week and clomid as usual. I socked on 30 lbs. which about 20 was muscle. I looked and felt great. LAter, Green


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Maverik

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posted September 05, 2000 02:27 PM

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Actually, Work2bebig, A short cycle that is kept under two weeks in length will mess with your hormonal levels much less than longer cycles. You see, your body begins to shut down natural test production by the third week of a cycle. This is when your hormones get all messed up. Short cycles that are kept under two weeks will not shut down your natural test production and therefore will be much easier for your body to accept the new muscle. If you don't shut down natural test production, then you obviously won't have as severe of a crash as if you had done a longer cycle and shut down your natural test. Now gains aren't gonna be record breaking here but in theory you can put on about 5 lbs of maintainable muscle with each 2 week cycle. Not many people have done this type of cycle so it is hard to find alot of info on it but the theory is very sound and hopefully it will work for me when I try it. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.


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macrophage69alpha

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posted September 05, 2000 02:44 PM

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short cycles tend to create worse acne in between cycles- the transitions are harder on your skin, which apparantly, is less well able to adapt to high/low levels of exogenous androgens.

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Work2Bbig

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posted September 05, 2000 03:05 PM

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Thanks Mav, I didn't know all that.

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Maverik

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Interesting, macro. That is something that I definitely didn't know. And no problem, Work2Bbig. Like I said, it is a good theory but not enough info to prove its effectiveness. Notice how hardly anyone has replied to this thread to say they have done a short cycle. Hey Macro, you seem to know alot about this type of cycle. Have you ever done short cycles or known anyone who has and what were their results. I am dying for more info on this subject. I might drop you a line, macro, to discuss this in more detail.


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Donald Smoot

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posted September 05, 2000 03:25 PM

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I'm on day 8 of a dmso/tren cycle.I will stop at 2 weeks.I'm a newbie and tried this a month ago for 1 week at a low dose just to see what would happen,had very small gains,and no crash or bad feelings when I stopped.
Now I am doing 4 pellets twice/day.Freaky strength gains.Set a new record in dips,then 2 days later added 10 more lbs.and did 4 sets!My B pressure is still low,I feel good.
I don't mind stopping ar 2 weeks cause I like focusing on work and eating for just 2 weeks,it's easier to stick with it for the short time.I don't want to blow up so fast my friends will all think I'm on roids.
Finally,the point Mavrick made about not shutting down the nuts makes sence to me.I just want some fun and a boost.I really find big short term gains at such a high price unappealing.
Anyway,I'll report back to the herd in 2 weeks and let you know how I feel,what I keep etc.
Anyone who's intrested should run a search on 2/4 cycles at T-mag.


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Mrfox

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posted September 05, 2000 03:49 PM

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I have also heard a lot of good things about short cycles. But I have never heard that U could get more acne with a short cycle, that with a long. But then again, some get acne after their cycle. For these people I think short cycles like the 2weeks on/4 weeks off, will get U more acne than a longer one, because of many the on and than off's.


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@LRG

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posted September 05, 2000 04:03 PM

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i think alot of people are curious, so itd be nice if someone could share a little bit more on the subject.

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DREXX

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posted September 05, 2000 04:33 PM

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I want first hand knowledge too!

Anyone have something to offer...


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bignate73

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posted September 05, 2000 04:57 PM

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wow! damn macro! i just did a 3 week dbol mini cycle and now its 4 weeks later and was wondering why the hell my back is breaking out. now i know. what causes this? rebounding hormone levels?

btw, had decent results with 3 weeks. should have spent more time on though. between water and fat gained, i only picked up probably 5lbs of anything quality.


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bb4424

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posted September 05, 2000 05:02 PM

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I did a three week cycle...

4 dbol a day, 200 mg primo every 4 th day...i retained 7-8 lbs 10 months later.


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InstantGrowth

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posted September 05, 2000 05:09 PM

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I just finished my second short cycle and I like them much better than the long. Heres how mine went: 3 weeks d-boll,deca,test cyp., then I took 5 weeks off, then 4 weeks of d-boll, T-200, and EQ. I put on about 25lbs which I am happy with. My next short cycle will be in about 1 month. It will consist of A-50, Sust, Primobolan, Winny, and Fina. It will be short and sweet.
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Maverik

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posted September 05, 2000 05:39 PM

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Bignate,what did the cycle look like? If you picked up 5lbs of quality muscle then that is typical of a short cycle. The goal is to do 2 weeks on and 4 weeks off and if you can pick up 5 lbs of quality muscle everytime then that gives you the possibilty of adding over 40 lbs in one years time. That would be very, very nice!!


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beerfart

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posted September 05, 2000 05:40 PM

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thanks good info!


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Maverik

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posted September 05, 2000 05:51 PM

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Bump for macro.


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H2O

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posted September 05, 2000 05:55 PM

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More info please.

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bignate73

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posted September 05, 2000 05:56 PM

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i was taking 30mg of ref daily. clomid 50mg eod and ed for a week after. i was actually up 10 lbs but, like i said, water and fat being cut out now...im up 5lbs. yeah 40 lbs would definitely be nice in a month. the only tough part is having pufferfish syndrome (bloat up, cut down) hehe. i should have stopped after the 2 weeks cause now my skin is paying me back. (back literally) hehe.


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DocJ

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posted September 05, 2000 07:47 PM

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Just started one today...see my post Short Cycle: DocJ the walking experiment.

I'll keep everyone posted...

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posted September 05, 2000 09:10 PM

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question for instant growth, was there any clomid or hcg involved in those cycles? if so please explain your dosing.thanks

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getnekid

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I know one thing for sure, All the foriegn pharmacies and domestic sources Tell me "It just wont work." Im finishing an A-bomb short cycle so far looking good, even though I get an urge for more!! 5-days to go...


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basegym

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2 week cycles do work, but for them to work properly you must take short acting drugs. Check out testosterone web sit and search for constructing a steroid cycle. This article was written by Brian Batchleor-The eurpean steroid guru.


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Puffy

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I don't know about the high dosage part but I'll personally swear by the short cycle theory, it's all I've used so far. To date I've never been on gear any longer than 8 weeks (6 using 2 clean up),have never used over 200mg of anything, and haven't been on any "hard" test. products and I now rip up at 210lbs. (5'9"). I average about 8 to 12 pounds a cycle and have never lost anymore than 3 pounds when I come clean, the only draw back is that if you have friends that use heavy you'll see them explode while you seem to be lagging. I guess it depends on how bad you want to keep what you pay and work for, I mean what's the difference between gaining 12 and keeping 10 or gaining 30 and keeping 8?


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Fonz

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You should check out the 2 on/4-off cycle proposed by Bill Roberts at mesomorphosis.com, this cycle lets you mass for 2 weeks and diet for the other 4. It basically states that you take 50mg dianabol daily(5*10mg daily)+ some kind of fast acting injectable(if you want) for the first 2 weeks. Then , on the next 4 weeks you would take 10 mg d-ball upon arising+10mg 4 hours later. This latter dosing schedule will not shut down test production, thus letting your body recover. First time I did this, I gained 8lbs of muscle in 2 weeks(calories have to be about 25Kcal/lb and protein at about 2g+/lb), the lost 8lbs of fat in the next 4. The beauty of this cycle, is that you only have to take 2 weeks off in between cycles, and it also permits you to not look "bloated"(sure sign of androgen use) all the time).
So, 2 on/4 off/2 completely off
and repeat. So, in a year you could conceivably do about 6 of these cycles.

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strengthmonster

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Hi I'm new to this board. I've just started a short course with Testoviron dep., Primo dep., Oxymetholone. I'll keep you all posted. Try Borreson's site biohazard849.com for loads of info on short courses.


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Maverik

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Actually, Fonz, you can do 8 of these in a year but that is not that important. And I also think that they key to good growth on these cycles is to use strong and fast acting drugs that are out of your system quickly. I keep seeing people propose short cycles with long acting drugs and that just doesn't seem like it would work right. The key is to stop by the third week so you don't shut down test and long acting drugs would negate this effect.


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