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 Hmmm.....Does anyone else here agree that Mr. O is fixed?????
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 216 |
tell me if this is a coincidence. No champion has ever lost.....they either retired or in my opinion, faked an injury. I will place a bet of any amount that Ronnie wins this year, and that he will win every year that he competes. In my opinion, Weider chooses the winner before hand, the judges are just for show.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 176 |
yeah I agree that it is rigged, because the last year dorian was in it it was rumored that he had already locked the winning number, I think you are right when you say the winner is already picked, just like when arnold retired Franco was the winner the next year, because weider had already picked him to win. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1325 |
Sounds right to me!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 325 |
i also believe its fixed to a certain degree.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
It's all about who will make the most money for Weider. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 468 |
Ubermass hit it right on the head, its all about making money for Weider, the more marketable you are, the better you place. Plain and simple!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 300 |
someone tell me it's not true!!! haahaaahaa!!! yeah, i agree it's fucking fixed...look at 1997...nasser should have KILLED dorian...same thing with the 2 great Lees <labrada and haney> in 1990...and fuck me if arnold should have won the 1980..... the last decent mr O contest <besides 1998> was 1984, when haney won...and deserved, his first, beating out the reigning O <samir> and the MYTH came back for a last hurrah please tell me flex or cormier have a chance this year....i wish them luck ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 44 |
Its rigged for shure. Makes it suck when the same guy wins year in and year out. I like to some upsets. ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 6 |
didnt samir bannout lose once? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 544 |
Oh, dont get me started! Those Wieder jerks really tick me off! Id like to slap that stupid mustache off his face. The continual boneing of Lee Priest is enough to make me want to choke that prick! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1329 |
well if its not rigged..there is def..favortism...this year you will see marcus r. in the top 3..my opinion because of the pressure last year..him finishing I think 12th | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 176 |
yeah its like the bodybuilding pet, for all the right reasons, just like boxing. Yeah what about flex wheeler, we know that ronnie coleman is gonna win, if he doesnt its like a stunt or a real rigged show. Who will beat ronnie coleman? he is big, thick and hard, if he won last year, those guys on stage will definitely know he has alot on his side, with last years title. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 544 |
You can usually predict the outcome of future shows by whos getting a lot of Flex coverage. That person usually ends up winning a big show in the near future. Coincidence? I dont think so. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 141 |
It's rigged for sure. Bodybuilding is all about politics. Thats what pisses me off. You work so f@#ckn hard to look good for a show and then you have some guy who looks like he is in off season come on stage and place better than you. Why, because he has a name and has been around longer than you, or because of the endorsements that he has which would not look too good if he didn't place well. A perfect example of this is Mike Matarazzo at the Toronto Show. Check it out in Musclemag if you don't believe me. Take a look at Henderson Thorne, Shaun Davis, Garrett Downing, Jason Arntz etc., your telling me that not one of them didn't look a lot beter then Mike. For Coleman, I personally think that he looks looks good but the guy has the worst set of abs I have ever seen. They look weird to me. I hope that Flex wins. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
I don't see how Ronnie can lose if he comes in in shape. I disagree about some of the feedback on Ruhl. That guy is a big fucking dude, and that's what sells these days. My guess is that it will go like this: 1) Ronnie If they dare place Jay Cutler above Lee, I will hurt Joe Weider. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 544 |
Yeah moondog. I like jay cutler and all, but he's not that impressive. Id love to see Lee get his due! Even without his so-called "controversial" statements, short guys never seem to place to well. Thats a crime in and of itself. To have comprible mass with a guy 6 inched taller is a sign of his physical supperiority in itself! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 312 |
It may be rigged, but I still think Ronnie blew averyone else away, physique-wise... | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2867 |
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 980 |
yup ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 572 |
I think we are going to see some white guys in the top 6 places. Not for nothing, but I feel that there may be some animosity on the race card. Just my .02. get big or get out | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 119 |
Moondog, you don't think it's fixed? Ruhl will be 2nd huh? Never herd of a guy going in one year from 12 to 2......sure it's not fixed? It is fixed to a degree. However Ronnie Coleman deserved to win every year so far. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. Lee Priest runs his mouth......he gets dogged. He's a prime example of how fixed it is. Remember the WBF guys? I don't think any of them have ever placed in a contest since crossing over and coming back. At least any worth while placings. HELL YEAH IT'S FIXED. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
Most definitely fixed. At that level of competetion it is as much politics as anything. And part of politics to Weider is who can he potentially make the most money off of. Hell, it is even getting that way at the larger State shows. Believe me if you qualify to go to a National show and want to do well you need to be "tight" with your NPC State Chairman. If they like you then they will see to it that the right people notice and hear about you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
I do think its fixed to a certain degree. Its more of a promotion, much in the same way wrestling "pushes" certain guys with story lines. Will Flex beat Cormier, or vice versa? I'm not sure they decide stuff like that ahead of time, considering (with no disrespect), that they are pretty damn similar. I think between those two its who comes in in better shape. I do think that Ruhl is getting a fan base and would not be shocked to see him finish second. Shawn Ray in the top 5 is a joke, but that's what you'll see. That is certainly politics. I just think that they'd love to set up a Ruhl, Coleman rivalry. I certainly think its fixed though. I gave that top 9 based, not on what I think, but on what I think we'll see. I agree with the race thing, too. We will see a white guy in the top three. I'm going to be curious where Nasser comes in. I have been a fan of his, but I think he's not politically as "in" as he once was. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 472 |
its most likely rigged but why i dont know?. i dont think it has to do with money.none of these guys are marketable to the public.if you think about it the average joe couldnt tell the difference between these fuckers anyways.and a giant black dude isnt the most marketable thing to the masses(no offense). who knows,but so far most of the champs have been very deserving imo. s()(..)/''..)e/''k ps.just because they retire doesnt mean shit im sure its fucking exhausting to hold that position.and the drugs oh my the drug recipes the mr.o's are probably on im sure they gotta stop sometime!!!! and its better to retire a champ than a loser. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 695 |
Both Samir Bannout, and Frank Zane lost as defending champions...oh so did Sergio Oliva...The last year that Lee Haney won he was under contract with Twin Labs...and He deserved to win too...BUT There were quite a few occassions during his reign that he got his ass handed to him...especially the year that they did it Naturally...Mike Christian killed him ...and quite a few of the years a case could be made for Ray or Labrada to have won...As for the miss O I think that Corry everson deserved about 2 of her victories. After all that said I will say that I agree to an extent that it is fixed..but not neccasaraly by Joe | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
As far as Dorian and Ronnie winning the years those years (Dorian's last Mr. O title and Ronnie's current title) how are you going to say they didn't deserve it when they win and then come back the next year with over 10 pounds more muscle and just as hard? Who were you going to give Mr. O to? Flex? I like his bodyshape but the judges like Ronnie's type of physique these days. But then again, I've only seen pictures so who the hell knows. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
guys dont even get me started on joe weider's ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
moondog didnt place Levrone in topm ten- what happened to him, I like nasser in there also | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 682 |
I believe it's been fixed with some winners like Arnold, Haney and Dorian all got at least one title they shouldn't have. Also many placing are always fucked up. Lee Priest and Aaron Baker have been screwed countless times, but Ronnie deserved both his wins. Who's beating this guy if he comes in shape? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 302 |
allright, there has been some extremely good points brought up here. All I have to contribute is that I've seen, Nasser, Ronnie, and Lee in real life. The owner of the gym I belong to runs the largest annual NPC BB show in illinois so every year we have a big name guest poser. I've always been a Huge Nasser fan, and partial to Lee too, But Ronnie was far more impressive than either of them. Nasser and Lee were much more willing to sit and talk to you about BB and such, but Ronnie's physique in person was far superior. I haven't seen em all, but I've seen some of the best and Ronnie does take the cake. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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There's always a "favorite" going into any muscle competition. But, with Weider, money drives the frontrunner into a more viable position, as he is compensated more handsomely during the year before the contest through promo's, advertisements, and endorsements. This means more publicity, more money, and more heavy "gear" -- mucho, muy "gear" -- and all the expert advise that money and influence can buy! But, Ronnie appears to have all the necessary essentials to win this one, favored or not. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 781 |
Like boxing you need to knockout the champ to win. nobody has knocked ronnie out. he is massive and looks great. he clearly has won the past two years hands down. as far as rigged i would say no but i would say the judges paly into this alot. if someone is not liked they won't do well (lee priest) is it fair no but thats judging. as far as jay cutler winning that show belonged to lee priest but as the saying goes a good tall guy alwaays beats a good short guy which sucks as i am short. as far as weider do any of you think the sport would be where it is if not for him? i for one think it would be nowhere as popular as today. he has given his life for the sport and though he controls much of the sport i don't think he controls show outcomes. he has done more for this sport than anybody else and i for one think he should be thanked and not slammed. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 987 |
That's true, but look at it from this point of view: Weider did make the sport what it is today, a fucking chemistry competition involving mutants. That's pretty harsh, but from what I've read, it's Weider who pushes these guys into becoming bigger and bigger, which freaks and grosses out the general public. So maybe he's not such an asset after all... Hell, Bill Phillips is doing more to popularize the sport with the public then good old "Uncle Joe". ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 174 |
I totally agree,and also you have to admit that Ronnie Coleman is a hypocrite.How can you be a police officer and be on public display that you are obviously using steroids. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 174 |
It does seem odd that the only people who win have a Weider contract... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 81 |
It might well be fixed ... but consider the following: 1- In sports where the placing are awarded by subjective judging it's *always* easier to repeat than to win in the first place. So occasionally a champion will get away with some flaws or will dodge a superior athlete simply because he gets a favorable judgement. The more often one wins, the more advantages one have. That doesn't necessarily means that the show is fixed, just that the judging wasn't totally objective ... which is to be expected anyway. 2- It has been stated that there seem to be a trend for winners to be the ones who receive more mags coverage. I agree. But we shouldn't mistake correlation with causality. Bodybuilding judges are from the industry (most of them anyway) and probably read the muscle mags. Getting more exposure sure gives you more visibility with the judges and can very well influence their judging positively. Once again that doesn't mean that the contest is fixed ... It is probably an attempt to influence the judging though. 3- Bodybuilding judging is very subjective. It's very hard to make clear cut choices. Most of the time judges would rather "go with the flow" and be more linient toward a big name or a favorite than to prefer a relative unknown or unpopular BBer. 4- If there is 5000 peoples watching a show there is probably 5000 different opinions regarding what the placings should be and why. That having been said I personally DO NOT believe that the Olympia is 100% fixed ... On the other hand I believe that the placings are strongly influenced by outside pressure. | ||
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Novice
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The reason why Levrone wasnt mentioned is that hes probably sitting this one out. I wish he wasnt, cause I will be there and I love watching his routine. Hes supposedly trying to focus on his band, but hopefully he'll change his mind. Ronnie will win, but he deserves it, besides his abs and calves, hes bigger in all areas then anyone else. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 781 |
Well lee haney was not under weider contract and won the olympia. ronnie coleman had very few magazine covers before winning the olympia after placing 12th the year before. as far as pushing the page to have bigger bodybuilders well why are we all here? to become bigger. personally i think dorian got smart and left before all it takes to compete in the olympia hurt his health. he is now using his name to sell like labrada. we the public dictate what we want to see and its pure mass. why go to a natural show when there is no freaky mass? because nobody goes. fixed?? i think not but size does rule and thats wrong as well. long live lee labrada and lee priest | ||
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Novice
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As long as the current Mr.O is in shape the judges wont let him lose, even though he dosent deserve to win. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
Was I the only one who got mad when Dorian won (his last win) with half right bicep??? And when Ronnie won for first time, he had an obvious gyno problem on his left pec!!!! Fuck!! |
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posted September 03, 2000 02:52 PM
JIM LAYHOE