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Pup'nIrn

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posted September 03, 2000 11:40 AM

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I hear one thing then another and can't seem to find out shit!

I know that oral d-bol has a life span of 3.5 to 4 hrs. Therefore, it must be taken multiple times/day and everyday and at higher dosages to be effective, that makes sense. The problem I have is I am going to use ref-b and going to inject. If using an injectable form of d-bol, elitefitness says an ideal dose is between 50-100mg/wk. The problem is they will not answer my question as to the lifespan of injected ref-b so I can determine a shot schedule.

I know "its dirty" but I don't mind shooting and its more effective if injected. Can you guys help??????

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Bchemist

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posted September 03, 2000 11:45 AM

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Why go through all the guesswork? Just do 30-40mg orally divided up every 4 hours or so. I would much rather spend an extra $30 on the additional ref-b vs. the extra scar tissue and abcess risk. And that's assuming that the injection theory you stated is correct....which I happen to disagree with. Taking it orally is a tried and true method of administering d-bol. Why does everyone have to make everything so complicated?


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jdismukes

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posted September 03, 2000 11:47 AM

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Reforvit-b has excactly the same life span as d-bol, cause it is d-bol with some water. Therfore you have to inject it several times a day to get the full effect. Try drinking it, make sure you have some chaser and make sure you shoot it down your throat, it has anaseptic in it to dull the pain of the injection, so your mouth might get a little numb.


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DocJ

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posted September 03, 2000 11:48 AM

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Dbol is more effective when taken orally.

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Pup'nIrn

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posted September 03, 2000 11:50 AM

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Hang on..."ref-b is d-bol with some water", its oil based bro. (ain't it?) I got the injection info from the elite fitness bulking guide...I don't suggest buying it but a friend and I split the cost to get one. They suggest the lower dosages if injected. It has to have a longer life span. I would think they would do ther homework....


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superdave

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posted September 03, 2000 11:51 AM

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Take the refb orally, it is 17-alpha-alkylated so it can go through the liver and into the bloodstream without loss of molecular integrity. I think you can inject them into gelcaps of some sort, but ask around about that. Thanks for the pics bro, the smack is legit!

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Pup'nIrn

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posted September 03, 2000 11:52 AM

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guys, i understnad you like to take it oral but this is the problem I had the last time I posted. Nobody could answer the question. They just told be to take it oral.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted September 03, 2000 12:00 PM

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I'm not an expert on Ref-b,and I fully agree with the other fellas here,but if you're determined to inject it,you could do so.Alternate injection sites each time (glutes,thigh,delts,etc.)Use 1/4 cc each shot and spread them out every 4-5 hours or so.It's a very risky business,but if you're determined to do it,that's the way to go.


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Bchemist

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posted September 03, 2000 12:01 PM

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Probably because less than 10% take it via injection.....probably much less. There are no studies that demonstate its effectiveness as an injectible. They make ref-b as an injectible because of how difficult it is to make an animal take a pill. People are going to tell you to inject it, and I would bet you anything that these same people have, more than likely, not injected it themselves. So with that said, just take it orally so you don't risk wasting your cycle altogether, since money seems to be an issue here.

BTW....just because one book says to inject, doesn't mean that it is law.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted September 03, 2000 12:10 PM

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Bchemist:You are absolutely correct,I would never inject that stuff with a ten foot pole.Nor would I ever encourage anyone else.But some people are going to do it irregardless of what you and I advise(and this certainly seems to be one of those cases)so I will do my best to at least give SOME sort of guidelines.The last thing I would want to hear is that some kid injected 6 cc's daily because he didn't know how much he should have because none of us offer him any advice.I want to stress that I'm in FULL agreement with all you other fellas here,despite offering my advice.


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Bchemist

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posted September 03, 2000 12:13 PM

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I wasn't referring to you Huck I WAS, however, referring to the dead-weight on this board that likes to throw in their 2 cents with every issue, regardless of their experience, or lack thereof.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted September 03, 2000 12:21 PM

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Gotcha Bchemist.And you know I highly value your opinion.


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td24

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posted September 03, 2000 12:25 PM

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Drink it through out your day! Save the pain!


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cockdezl

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posted September 03, 2000 02:04 PM

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Ref-B is methandrostenolone, which is D-bol, which is an orally active steroid. Injections will give the same half-life as oral. Injecting a short lived drug in the body is not worthwhile since you will require multiple injections to simulate taking it orally. Also, the vehicle for Ref-B is not oil, but propylene glycol, which hurts like a bitch to inject.


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bgriff

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posted September 03, 2000 02:15 PM

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Bro i was set on injecting it but after talking to alot of good bros likr Ranger i decided to just put it in gelcaps and take it oraly!! it is no more effective to inject it so WHY do it????

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Pup'nIrn

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posted September 03, 2000 08:14 PM

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Thanks for the input guys. I have been puzzled to the reason that elite fitness would put out a bulking guide listing the injection method at 50-100mg/wk. I couldn't see the reasoning behind this method. That is why I was determined "for the injection method"....not because I choose to inject but because I was questioning information given to me. I will take this product orally now that I know they fuck'd up on their info.


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