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 NOW YOU GOT ME WANTING TO TRY THIS--anyone want to help?
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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now im interested in the short cycle thing, im about to start winny, fina, maybe prop, clen-----anyway was gonna do 1 winny EOD and fina 1 1/2 EOD. so what kind of doses would i be looking at now if i was to go short cycle route and what about doing the fina/winny for 2-3 wks then aboms/(test or eq) 2-3 wks then repeat a couple of times,---would they be back to back or little break in between? well fellas im open to all "reasonable" suggestions! im@LRG     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
well since you asked. i would just stick with cutting or bulking. you said you want to cut for a couple of weeks (winny and fina)then a couple of weeks abombs and test. i would just pick one or the other. you really can't do both at the sametime. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 396 |
alright xxxl so your saying repeat the fina/winny, what kinda of doses should i be looking at? im@LRG | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1413 |
I would say you need some testo int he cycle bro, concentrate on eitehr cutting or bulking, don't try and do both....hit like 600 mg or testo, with at least 50mg winny EOD and at least 75 mg fina EOD(make it into and injectable is my advice)...if you are cutting, watch your diet, diet is most important when cutting... big-guy | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1511 |
t50 2-3cc eod fin 1-2 eod win 1/2-1cc ed-orally last injection on day 9 I believe that short cycles should be used for bulking only- dieting is testosterone suppressive- one of the main advantages of short cycles is the have little suppressive effects. though taking clomid eod during and for a couple of days afterwards might be advisable. DO NOT USE T-100- since recent batches are rumored to contain enanthate- From anecdotal and "twin" reports I would say that this rumor is true. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 396 |
thanks macro, but doesnt that seem a little to short, i was planning on fina 1 1/2, winny 1, prop 150mg all EOD till i ran out- have 50cc of fina and winny. cause i thought you did stronger amounts on short cycles, also would the prop not make this a dieting cycle, even if i dieted strict. see i just got done w/ susto/dbol/eq , now i plan on dieting, then onto aboms w/(test or eq)or maybe just a gram of test by around xmas time. im@LRG | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 16 |
XXL, I think you CAN bulk and cut at the same time. It just all depends on your diet. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 17 |
Did you ever hear of that ABCDE diet that made a stir when Bill Phillips mentioned it in that Supplement Review book? Anyway, one of the big reasons for the 2 week bulking cycle in the diet was a study that showed testosterone peaking after about 12 days while overfeeding. Also there have been a lot of bodybuilders claiming that steroids like Anadrol produce most of their muscle gains in the first two weeks and the weight gained after that is mostly water. I really think short cycles will be a big thing sometime soon.  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 772 |
Macro's projected cycle looks good to me--I personally would take it for another week and then take two weeks off before starting again, but that's just me. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 399 |
E2 suggested in my next cycle that doing fina for 3-4 weeks is too short for any effectiveness. extend it throughout your cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1214 |
Guys, go do some reading and searching over at mesomorphosis.com and read about Bill Roberts explanation and theory behind short cycles. One of the main reasons to do a short cycle is because if you keep the cycle at or under 2 weeks in length, you won't shut down natural test production very much so test recovery is very quick, thereby preserving muscle gains. If you go up to 3 weeks, then you have past that point and you might as well go ahead and do a typical 6-8 week cycle, because at that point it would be more effective to do so. Read the ideas of Bill Roberts and you will get a little more understanding. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 940 |
Amen Mav.That is the most benificial aspect of those types of cycles(not suppressing natural test levels,thereby creating a relatively easier/quicker post cycle recovery process and minimizing gains lost.)In theory 2 weeks seems to be the cut off point.Keep that in mind fellas when incorporating longer acting esters.And Mav is correct,Mesomorphosis is probably the best place to research the subject. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1214 |
Here is a link to a case study concerning short cycles that Bill Roberts did. In the study the test subject gained about 8 lbs and if I remember correctly I think he kept almost all of it and didn't mess up his hormones too much, according to blood tests. Here it is: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/pharmacology/vol02/print/990201%5Fprint.htm Enjoy! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 638 |
I agree with you Maverick about more than 2 weeks supressing natural test levels... But I want to do a 4 week cycle because I feel that my best gains are in the first 3 weeks so 4 weeks would be good. Yes it will supress natural test. But I am going to take the clomid eod and after the cycle 3 weeks like a regular cycle... One more advantage is that during this 4 week cycle I can take in a lot more calories and not worry about getting too fat. It only lasts a couple weeks so not much fat can be added. I will take 3 months off and start a short cycle and keep you guys posted... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1214 |
Sounds like a good idea. You are basing your cycle on how you respond to AS, so I hope it works for you. Like I said, I am the same way when cycling. I always get all of my gains in the first four weeks. I thik I am going to give Bill Robert's cycle a try. If I don't do well then maybe I'll try going a little longer, maybe 4 weeks like you are trying. Keep us updated on your progress bro. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 396 |
e2 whats your insight on this? what about you BPP and 2thick and all the other bros! im@LRG | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 467 |
I was altogether unimpressed by my short cycle. It was great for my strength, but as far as gains, they were so-so. The doses I used were too high to merit the gains recieved, so Im opting for longer cycles again... but hey, it was worth a try! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 638 |
Tell us about your short cycles monster? I am interested... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1214 |
Yeah, how much did you gain, Monster? I thought you were up like 15 lbs at one point. Sorry to hear you are disappointed with the results. |
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posted August 31, 2000 12:07 PM