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 ok guys im goin do it... but im goin need some help!!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 88 |
Ok guys here it is, im 19 5'8" 158lbs and around 7 to 10% bf. i have been training for over 6 years and i have had it! I eat like a pig, i train my ass off in the gym, but the gains arent coming! i am a classic hard gainer(6 3/4 inch wrist, small frame, fast metabolism, the works!) i look muscular for my frame but it isnt enough! i fell like ive hit my natural potential, and i have to go for the gear to get where i want to be! I am a strengh trainer at a local YMCA, and have good knowledge of all aspects of bodybuilding(including juice) but not even close to some of the big guns on this board, so i am askin for some help! Because of my job getting huge quick is not an option so i need a more gradual way to go about it. I figured my best bet would be primo(for its safety and mild effetiveness) i was goin to go 12 weeks at say 200 a week. Taking Enlarge2(prolab weight gainer i sell) and then Glutamine and creatine( both prolab) as i finished the cycle. sorry for the long ass post but i needed to get this off my chest, any info is apprecatied! thanks Tulk311 ------------------    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 248 |
Well, at 19 yo i'm pretty sure everybody here will agree that you should wait maybe 2-3 years to let your teenager methabolism finish its job. But, if you think you,re ready for it, i would go for sust, primo is for cutting and like you're talking, it look like you're looking for mass and strenght. But, beeing you i would stick to creatine for now. just my 2cents as always... can be wrong...  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 678 |
I went on my first cycle when I was 19. I'm not sure now, 3cc something, cuz the seller/injector was a slick bastard, but whatever it was I was bigger and stronger than ever in the 6 week cycle. Nieve, I admit. I'm 35 now and all my blood work comes out good so I can pretty much assume my early experience did not create any noticable long term adverse reaction. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 798 |
Every novice approaching the boarder seperating them from those on the darkside, have alwaus wondered if they could maybe get a taste of the darkside by only allowing half of their body to cross the boarder. That way if the darkside is to much for them, they always have one foot with the others. I don't know a rookie who's first cycle, in theory wasn't going to be composed of Primobolan Depot at 200mg weekly. Hell even myself and those in my area salivated at the potential growth from a no-side steroid. The fact of the matter is that when its all said and done, your gonna look in the mirror and scream out, THATS IT?? I am certain that 99% of the time Primobolan will change the body composition of a novice for the better, hehe, but it's not going to compare to the results you secretly want, and know ya wont get through primo. Go ahead and commit to this if you feel it necessary, but I can assure you through my experience and those I have witnessed that your only viable solution comes in the form of Testosterone. Nooo, you dont have to jam 600mg of cypionate to get what you want. If you really know what your doing, have the self-disipline to devote 8 weeks of your life to excellent diet, training, and rest. Then a simple ampule every five days of sustanon250 will produce 8-10 lbs of retainable muscle mass. It did with me, It did with the others whos diet's I guided. Run through 10 ampules, and heres the newbie secret, you really want to solidify those gains off that small amount??? Then you better control your estrogen levels through out thi course of this cycle. Novaldex and Proviron wont do it. Do a search on "Arimidex". The secret is behind estrogen supression. Some of the old school boys have yet to realize the awesome synergy of elevated test and supressed estrogen. OOOHHHH makes me shutter. E-mail me and Ill fill you in a bit more. ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I've done only cycle--200mg deca twice a week. I was looking for results with no side effects. But the results were a bit less than expected. After all we are talking time and money. I guess I need to step up to the plate(or over to the dark side). I would like to see someone wait until 22-25 before they use. Hell if I had the test level they have at 19 I wouldn't need any supps. I'm 43 and I need my vitamins. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 24 |
TS, do you think Arimidex is far better than Clomid??? What�s the Arimidex dosage?? I�ve also seen some debate about using HCG - some say it�s no use after the cycle, only DURING it and on the other I think most people use HCG post cycle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
Armidex and Clomid serve 2 different purposes. Armidex destroys estrogen before it gets to receptors. Clomid gets your balls working again. You still need clomid in your cycle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
ahhhh What the hell! thanks for the replys fellas, but now im confused, i thought i had it figured out!lol does anyone think i can make it on the primo alone should i just go with the sust...also im doing my research but does can anyone give me the sides i can expect, and the seriuosness of them. thanks again Tulk311 ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 396 |
nuff talking just start taking bro! im@LRG | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1413 |
if you are a persoanl trainer getting huge quick should be good for business, tell them youare mega dosing creatineand glutamine with a good prtein powder and weight gainer, then sellt hem the products too..mo money, mo money.....hit sus bro, you will be happier then with primo.. big-guy | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
OHHHH shit!!! Big guy you are brillant!!! I never thought of that i sell those supplements already, i never thought about using it to my advantage like that awesome!!hahahah! But seriuosly does everyone sust 250 is the way to go for me? remember my stats and age please!thanks Tulk311 ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 611 |
Sust is definately the way to go, 1 amp every 5 days for 8 weeks you should see no ugly sides and see decent gains. I don't think a 10lb gain over 8 weeks will cause too much gossip. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
OK fellas im bumpin for more opinions and for prices of Sust... my guy wants almost 25 bucks each including pins and shit ..so 460.oo for 20 amps..let me know what u think!! Tulk311' ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 722 |
Your getting fucked on those prices, thats all I know. market is about 10-12 dollars for sust. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 798 |
Your being rapped by a steel bore brush. Dont consider paying any more than $15 from a domestic source. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 361 |
I'm an older bro.....40....with one sus/deca/dbol cycle under my belt. You're young, but if you've decided this is the thing to do......go with the sus so you aren't disappointed with the results. And yes, you're getting ripped off......spend time on this board and it will pay off. delts ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 265 |
Dude, I feel your pain man, I know a lot of guys on this board will tell you to wait. My opinion is that you should go for it. I'm about 5'7" 185-190lbs at 10%-12% fat. I'm not a small guy, but I'm not big enough to stand out. The worst thing is when people ask me if I work out, and when I tell them I do, they go "no, you don't work out!" and then I have to flex an arm at them to save my pride and stuff. Just because it doesn't show through my clothes unless you know what to look for I guess. One thing though: Don't bother with such a low dosage of Primo, you will only gain maybe 5lbs at best, and you will be frustrated. I would use 400mg Deca/Week along with 3 Dbols daily for a kicker. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 519 |
Considering you are'nt specificly after mild gains and have never juiced I think primo is fine by itself. Also even though you are only 19 it sounds like you have been training and eating right for quite some time so go for it. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
Thanks again guys, great feedback! Sorry for sounding like such a newbie, i just want to make sure everything is perfect when i start, so i can make sure nothing goes wrong...the prices suck!what the fuck man that sucks but this guy is all i have hes my only hook up so i guess i have to take waht i can get!ahhhh shit!... by the way i am definitly going to go for it now(my minds made up!) so any info to help protect myself would be excellent. Tulk311 [This message has been edited by Tulk311 (edited September 01, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
BUMP for more info !!! | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 1 |
If your only 19 ,you probably have some more growing to do naturally.I went from 5'9 150 at 18 to 5'11 200 when I hit 21, 3 years ago. I am totally for gearing up but remember the average age of a pro is around 30. If you are eating more than you are burning, getting enough protein, 6-8 hours of sleep a day, and training properly, it is almost impossible not to see some increase in muscle mass. If all of the guidelines listed above are not followed, you will be wasting time,gear, and money. Gear will make you thick, no doubt about it. Just make sure you are utilizing it to its fullest potential. Don't get discouraged. The weight will come in time. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1104 |
Twistedsteel expressed my thoughts exactly. If you want mass you'll have to take mass gear, just don't mega-dose. I say sust,ultragan and d-bol. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
I appriecate everyones concern, but there is no way im goin to gain that much weight natural,with my frame and stats it just isnt possible. My questions now are what do u all recommend for someone with my age and stats, for a first cycle. I have thought of primo, but many have turned me awway from it, now i think i want to do a sust cycle, 8 weeks, with maybe some dbol to kick things in the beginning. What do u bros think? Tulk311 ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1229 |
Maybe you should consider the 2 on/4 off cycle based on the fact that you don't want to get too big to quick. If you want to learn about it I put up a post with a link to a case study by Bill Roberts on short cycles. And $25 is way too much for sust. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
OK cool bros now we're getting some where! ok so heres is what im thinkin about.. sust 250 once a week right through for 8 weeks..?? Hows that sound?? should i go for more than that at my size or maybe throw some dbol in to start it off ?? or maybe 250 once every five days?? keep it comin bros! Tulk311 | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
If you are resigned to do test, then sust demands the use of clomid to keep the gains. Do not start a cycle until you have the clomid. No flame, but realize that you are kidding yourself. You are nowhere near your natural potential, you are simply in a hurry. If that is what you want, fine, but do not chalk it up to genetic limits at 19. I am also small boned, a very hard gainer, and 5'8". I just started my first cycle 2.5 weeks ago at 32. I was 181 lbs after a dozen years of serious training. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 513 |
Hardgainer? Sorry but that excuse is a bunch of bullshit. Hardgainer is the term for someone that "thinks" they know what they're doing and "think" they are training their ass off. I am very small boned, my wrists are 7 inches around, and I still managed to go from 145 lbs to 205lbs before touching drugs. There is a little more science behind bodybuilding, other than eating like a pig and training your ass off. People that say that are very obvious that they don't know what their doing. To make natural gains, u can't rely on a constant intake of calories. Diet has to be planned and zig-zagged for optimal growth. Workouts need to be cycled with the proper exercises in the proper order. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
i did my first with primo at 300 mg week.i was cutting and got good results.i would go for the primo at 300, since you're 19 and you shoulndn't do roids do the mildest wich is primo. you'll be satisfied for now and you'll have time to do the sus when you pass 21.Primo is fine stuff. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
ok i know i probably really havent reached my complete limit of natural potential, but i know i only have tinys bits left if i havent, but i am a hardgainer and i want to be 185 now not when im 32(no offense) that is what would make me happy, its what i want, i will always train hard and bodybuilding will always be my lifestyle choice, so dont think im doin this like some punk kid who knows nothing of bodybuilding and only wants to get big to pick up women! im doin this for me! So the question is whatdo u fellas think is my best for my first cycle, taking everything into account? Oh and by the way i dont wantto start it without the clomid, but im having trouble findin it, do u think i could go with like maca or trib instead(considering my age)?? Thanks Tulk311 [This message has been edited by Tulk311 (edited September 02, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
Your goals may be different than mine. I wanted to see how much I could get without gear; I am not now nor was a I ever a competitive BB. Trib is not a substitute for clomid. Clomid is readily available and cheap. As it has been said many times on this board, if you do not have clomid, you are not ready to do a cycle. At your age, I would imagine that 250mg of sust per week for an 8 week cycle would net you 10-15 pounds of solid gains, perhaps more. But do not do test without clomid. As this is your first cycle, you will get opinions that say either hit it hard because your receptors are fresh, or take it easy since you can always go harder later. |
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posted August 31, 2000 03:28 AM
