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LattimerII

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posted August 30, 2000 11:43 AM

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I need you guys' opinions. Personally I'd rather have Sus (worked great the first time) for my next cycle, but T200 seems a good bit cheaper. I can get 20amps sus for $280, 40mls Brovel T200 for $260, or Tornell T200 40mls for $240. Seems like you'd actually get more test from the T200 for less money (I know it's underdosed). Would you guys go for the sus or T200. If T200 which brand. I always thougt Tornell was the better of the two, but it's actually cheaper.

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GymRatSD

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posted August 30, 2000 11:45 AM

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There was actually a very good discussion on this last week. Do a search for Sustanon vs. Enanthate and read up. You may be enlightened.


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daveyboy

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posted August 30, 2000 11:48 AM

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i personally would pick the sustanon cause i know it is a full 250mg/ml (the stuff i get)then the tornel t200 then the brovel t200. i am just picking based on my personal feeling on quality.

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LattimerII

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posted August 30, 2000 02:13 PM

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Gotta bump it.
Search didn't turn up the Sustanon vs. Enanthate thread.

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GymRatSD

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posted August 30, 2000 03:08 PM

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Well, I am very frustrated... after mass searching through the archives, it seems that the great discussion of Sustanon vs. Enanthate disappeared. Hopefully it'll pop up in the archives in a couple of weeks, otherwise a good debate went to waist.

The point I argued is this -- look at the total mg of testosterone you are going to get versus the price, and go that route. Test is test is test. We, as bodybuilders, do not use Sustanon as it was meant to be used. Therefore, the enanthate will work for you just fine.

This is direct from the article here on esters:
Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

Hopefully this will answer some of your questions.


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Slopain

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posted August 30, 2000 03:35 PM

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ahhh Gymratsd how did that get lost? I can't find it either.

Basically I was on the side for Sus250 if you had the money. Gymratsa said, and correct me if Im wrong, even if you have the money save it and go with the cheaper enanthate.

It was a good thread, and one I wish Macro would have addressed now that he is back, but it is lost now. bump

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pittsburgh

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posted August 30, 2000 03:36 PM

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with that big of a price difference id go with the t200 by tornel. depending on what cycle this is for you, use between 600 to 1000mg. even if its a little underdosed that should more than compensate or it.
also sust takes 3 to 4 weeks to kick in. if your not doing orals in the beginning than use the enanthante which you'll feel in a week or so....eat a lot and workout hard...clomid too.


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E2

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posted August 30, 2000 03:37 PM

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Now the thing is that both tornel and brovel are shitty companies and i'd personally never put thier crap in my body. Based on just that alone i'd go for the sust.

Now, getting some primoteston or testoviron would be great as well.


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GymRatSD

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posted August 30, 2000 05:39 PM

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I have to disagree with you on the reputation of Tornel in Mexico. Most of the vet suppliers recommend it highly over any Brovel product. From the ones that I know that have used it (the legitimate product, purchased first-hand in Mexico), they have had good results.


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