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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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One guy in spain was doing the following stack for 3 weeks  He made a gentleman's bet that short cycle theory was better than long cycle theory)Parabolan--------> 500mgs/week He ate roughly 40Kcals/pound of bodyweight Need everybodies opinion on this phenomenon. Godspeed     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 537 |
Go luck on living pass 40, damn that is nuts. His liver must be crying! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
What are you talking about, his hepatic liver values were only slightly elevated. 3 weeks is not enough to alter them significantly. Besides, if you're worried you could always use herbal liver protectants which would help curtail elevated liver values to a degree. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 155 |
That cycle can't be real. 30 dbols/day plus all the other orals? 3 weeks thats alot for your liver to handle. Maybe it didn't effect him this time, but guaranteed he won't be around much longer doing cycles like that. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 723 |
i once read that chris duffy tok 10 a-bombs a day | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 920 |
first of all his livers gonna fall out. secondly in six weeks he will still have a bunch of deca and test decanoate from the sust in him. im not surprised he 'kept it all' as he has alot of gear in him. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
Why not hacker? Who is to say that his cycle is not better than longer cycles. Your Liver gets screwed up due to the fact that you are using livertoxic drugs for EXTENDED periods of time. Therefore, if he takes 6 weeks off his enzyme values will return to normal, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AFFECTED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. During longer cycles, liver values take longer to return to normal, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
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Freak 
Posts: 1769 |
You say 30 pounds, 3 weeks, "pure muscle"?? Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 118 |
I know local guys who have taken 10 A-bombs a day and they are still walking. Another friend of mine took 4 (25mg) Methlytest tablets with each meal. That is 24 tabs all together in addition to the 1cc Test Suspension and 1cc Winny V he was using each day. Your liver can handle ungodly amounts of stress, though it is not wise to try that theory out. Better safe than sorry. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
Yes, that is correct, 30lbs of pure contractile tissue(not water). Calories have to be around 40+ Kcals per lb though. That is a lot of food. I know it sounds absolutely incredible, I didn't believe it at first, but believe me, the transformation was anything short of incredible. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
I believe this type of theory is the wave of the future. I'm going to try this but with winny only(as a start). 100mg/day for 3 weeks. I'll see if this works for me. I'll post the results during and after I finish, along with all the liver values, test values etc... | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1769 |
Well Fonz I would love to see the results of that, scans of doc reports and all! That would be very benefitial, IF it is all very non-partial and unbiased. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 537 |
Well, Fonz if your so sure his liver can handle it then why did you post "check out this luntic cycle"? Why don't you do the cycle and tell us how it was. By the way Richie Cunningham and potz said hello.lol | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
I said "check this lunatics cycle out", because I think it uses some crazy dosages. For example, who is to know that 3000mgs of sustanon a week will yield the same gains as 5000mgs a week will. It is a simple matter of knowing your own stopping point. The point of the post was to point out that large doses of exogeneous hormomes over a short period of time might be better than moderate ones over a long period. As far as liver toxicity is concerned, I don't think that is an issue here. Alcohol damages the liver more, and alcoholics drink every day for like 10 years, and their liver is only PARTIALLY suppressed, and when alcohol is discontinued, all values return to normal. The liver by the way is the only organ in the body that can grow its own tissue. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 127 |
Interesting topic and post. I think we've all heard about these short cycle theories before, but most "experts" seem to refute them. I have to agree with Coolhandluke, though. During most of those six weeks he's taking off, there's plenty of juice running through this guy's veins, even if all the orals have cleared his system! If he goes back on in such a short period of time, it's almost like he never went off, basically a bridge. This thinking may be more applicable for quick-clearing drugs than the long acting-ones like sust or deca. When did he have his natural test measured? I'm not an expert on these types of tests, but if he was taking sust, can the test differentiate between test released from the sust and naturally-produced test? Also, I wonder what he would look like at 12-14 weeks off, once everything has had plenty of time to clear his system, and I'd like to see test levels and liver values then too, before buying into this theory. The Doctor | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 34 |
That is a hell of alot of juice to do in such a short period of time. If u say it works then i will also try a short strong cycle and see what happens. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 279 |
I believe that short cycles can be effective, however the amount of drugs this guy has used is absolutely astounding! Just sit back and look at the different types of androgens he took, and at the dosages. There is something alot of you guys need to understand, which I dont believe some really realize. I hear everyone stating that this type of cycle would kill someones liver, but do you realize what other numerous health problems could result from the intake of this much at one time. Sure liver stress is one of them, but there are many more which could include any type of cancers, myocardial infarctions, significantly increased blood pressure, and if done like this for long enough, congestive heart failure is a possibility, who knows what else. It just seems to me that cycles like this are very irresponsible and careless. Sorry, just what I think, wanted to throw out my opinion. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 141 |
Thats too much of everything. Any more than 1500mg of test per week is waste. Any more than 5000mg per week combined is waste. I agree with others - he looks good but the long acting androgens are still in his system for a month or two before he would have any rebound. This is interesting but not conclusive. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 907 |
well how long has he been off cycle? the bro's are right, theres a shit load of juice running through his body right now. if he stays clean for a few months, he will lose most of that 30lbs of so called muscle. i find it hard to believe that most of that is not water... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
As some of you may know, I recently did a two-week cycle with much, much more conservative drugs and doses. (Primo @ 400 mg/wk, D-bol @ 35 mg/day + clomid eod throughout and ed for 15-19). I'm about one week post cycle and still a solid 8 pounds heavier than when I started -- plus visually more cut. It's true that I still have some primo active in my system (it's active for 2-3 weeks and my last 200 mg shot was about a week ago), but I'm confident at this point that the weight will stick with me. My point? I think that short cycles are indeed effective -- and that unlike the above-mentioned cycle, that you can use healthy, reasonable doses to get solid, respectable gains in a short time. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 913 |
Well BigTruck,Mav will love to hear that,as he's contemplating doing one next. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
I would be equally concerned with my pancreas as most of you are with the liver.
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 771 |
The price alone to sustain that 3 week run is enough to by a years worth of gear for the average user. ------------------  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 381 |
that much weight gain in that short period of time also stress the heart. i think 150 mg of dbol, a-50 and winny would destroy you fuckin liver. i don't care what this guy says about long term doing more damage,that is bullshit! they will both take there toll on your body but in that short period you are taxing you body way too much. i like short cycles once in a while also, but that cycle was a waste of gear and god knows how much money. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1179 |
Yeah Big Truck, I am interested in trying out the 2 on/4 off cycle myself. I am tired of everyone knowing I am on juice because on a big cycle you blow up and everyone notices. I have read all of the ideas and theories on this cycle and they do make sense. I think I might give it a try in the future but I will probably use 100mg of tren a day and 50mg of dbol per day. I figure if I could put on at least 5 lbs everytime then it would be very effective. We will see. I want to get enough "supplies" to last a full year first so I don't have to worry about getting more every month. So it will probably be several months before I try it. Hope it goes well. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
Mav -- Keep me/us informed bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
personally,i would be worried about a heart attack.maybe not right now but with those amounts it has to be taking it's toll.i wonder what this guy will look like in 10 or 20 years.(if he's alive that long) thats just plain abuse of your body. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
I was planning of taking 500mg of test propionate a week for 2 weeks (1000mg in total) and the last day take one shot of Sustanon to have the longer test taper me off, but with short cycles like that do you have to worry about bitch tits or any side effects? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 285 |
I read somewhere that your body detects fast-acting steroids faster than other steroids. Anadrol, Test Suspension, D-bol, maybe that's why you have to limit your intake of these to 3-4 weeks, as they have been detected in your body for quite some time. So I think even a 3-week cycle with such dosages would result in some side effects, HPTA down-regulation, and post-cycle muscle loss... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
What about the cycle I wrote in the post above? would that be worth it?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
I personally agree with short cycles (4-6 weeks) but this seems a little stupid. I am not doubting its validity but anyone who has put on 30lbs of muscle in 3 months realizes the discomfort that goes slong with it. The heavy brwathing, increased blood pressure and all. I was on 600mg deca/wk 600mg test enan/wk 125mg reforvit (a day) and 75mcg of cytomel a day and I was constantly getting nose bleeds from the increased blood pressure. I am not talking about once a week I am saying litterally 2-3 times a day. If he put on 30lbs of muscle his body weight would have had to increased some 40-50 lbs. from water retention from the androgens and fat storage from the increased calories. I agree with ClemDog this may be perfectly legit but it was extremely stupid. Thanks for the info though. JJ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1179 |
I think doages as high as the ones this guy used are extremely unneccesary. I would be much more inclined to try one of the types of short cycles that Bill Roberts recommends. Anyone interested in the theory go to mesomorphosis.com and do a search on "2 on/4 off" cycles. The theory sounds very good and does make alot of sense but it is hard to find out if this really works good because no one has really tried it. One thing I have been wondering. We all know that to get the same results from a cycle that you had from a previous cycle, you have to take higher dosages the second time. You can't go back, only up. So what I have been wondering is if the same would hold true for this type of cycle. In another words, Bill Roberts recommends a cycle with 100 mg of tren per day and 50 mg of dbol per day. But if you always used the same dosages, would each concurrent cycle be less effective than the previous one. That is the one thing that I have yet to find out about the 2 on/4 off approach to cycling. Big Truck, you have any thoughts on this, bro? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
That's a good point because people usually start slowly (first cycle, don't need much or scared the first time) then up the dosage the more cycle they get under their belts or in their ass. But you rarely hear someone say "well next time I�m going to lower the dosage because I took too much" so there's really no one that took the same cycle twice under the same circumstance, so that questions is definitively "would 2 exact cycle give the same result?" | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
I think that if used reasonably, it will be some time before your body needs more to get the same results. In other words, you should be able to do quite a few at the same dosage and still get results. But on such a short cycle pattern, who knows? Logic dicatates that it will definitely be much less pronounced and take much longer to hit the sticking point than with traditional cycles. And a lot of bros do the same traditional cycles at the same doses with results... This is one of the main reasons why I would consider alternating drugs between cycles. For instance my first two-week was primo/dbol, but my second two-week will be deca/winny (if my source ever e-mails me back with the info I requested -- I have an order set to go, but it's been a couple of days now and still no contact, c'mon guy I know you're busy, but you're killing me!). Oops, sorry for the aside -- So, I think by alternating drug selections, you would minimize this effect also. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
That's right by changing drugs you body doesn't get accustomed and can't get used to it. You also don't have to take that much of the drug since you alternate the next week and the receptors don't get over-saturated so you could possibly use the same drugs in the next cycle just in different order and still get great result. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 118 |
let me know if he passes 40. if yes i'll go for it too. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1179 |
That is true, Big Truck. But I don't know if switching drugs would make that much of a difference as long as you are using fast acting drugs. But I do wonder about that. From what Bill Roberts says, you can keep cycling like this for years without any problems. So maybe it is just as effective each time. I guess there is only one way to find out: I guess I'll have to just try it and just see. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 913 |
Well there you go mr.guinea-pig.J.k.LOL!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 178 |
How much did this cycle cost? $5k? Also, 5000mg of sust a week, that means he took about 3ccs of sustanon a day. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1179 |
Yeah, but hopefully I'll be one big f*ckin guinea pig! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 913 |
There's no question there bro,YOU WILL BE.HehHeh | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 931 |
Post his blood work. Liver is dead! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
Ok, his cycle cost $2500, around 425 000 pesetas. This is a pretty low price for it due to the fact he lives in spain where steroids are dirt cheap(if you know were to get them). Secondly, his liver showed elevated enzymatic values(to be expected), but not dangerously high. Thirdly, after the third week he was using a special designer enzyme that binds itself to free testosterone and makes it be excreted faster. So, instead of taking 6 weeks for natural test to start recovery, it only took about two.(Don't ask about the enzyme, he wouldn't tell. This I believe is how high-profile athletes beat drug tests). Fourthly, his hematocrit level did get pretty elevated(around 58-60). However, this could be annulled by using drugs that increase blood viscosity.) Finally, his pancreas was in perfect health, and his other organs too. You should think of this guy as a sort of bodybuilding pioneer, not an idiot. He knew what he was doing, and he did this cycle because he felt it would shock his system into new growth, and that it did. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 299 |
I find it VERY hard to believe that this guy used these crazy amounts with no problems.I did 2.5 A-50s a day and 600mgs.of test cyp per wk.,and got jaundice in under a month.My eyes and fingertips turned yellow.This dose pales in comparison to what this guy claims...hmmmm.....I'd bet he would have gotten the SAME gains on half the gear.. J | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
I'm bumping this up because I need more of your opinions bro's. godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 391 |
im interested in this keep this near top, but im also wondering like mav said---about blasting these high doses does that mean im gonna be fucked when i go back to a normal cycle? im@LRG | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 391 |
maybe ill try the 3 wk thing, im just about to start win/fina/maybe prop/clen . how much should i do? i was gonna do 1cc winny EOD and fina 1 1/2cc EOD. so knowing that what doses would i be looking at to blast this (short) wk thing? oh then ill be hitting the a-boms w/ test or eq. im@LRG | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
I'd really like to get E2's answer about this one. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1413 |
all that d-bol, a-50 and test, but 30 lbs of pure muscle, no water?? I smell some bullshit... big-guy | ||
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Moderator 
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Hmmm???? An enzyme that binds to free testosterone? 30lbs of muscle in 3 weeks- not possible 30lbs of muscle with little or no fat gain- fantasy Would liver be severly damaged? Neat story- just not buying it Peace ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 771 |
Hypertrophy to the point of 1.4lbs of increased lean muscle mass daily???? I dont think so.The process by which break down and reperation occurs can not be accelerated by such gross disproportion. Fancyfull story there fozz, but thats about all its going to be. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited August 31, 2000).] | ||
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Novice 
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DAMN!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
Is this guy related to the late Andreas Munzer? ------------------ THE UNITED CHI-TOWN FREAKS | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
He gained 220 LBS minus 10 pounds that his liver weighed which he probably shit out his sphinkter. Peace as always ------------------ THE UNITED CHI-TOWN FREAKS | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 381 |
i'm going to keep bumping this up till we hear from some of the mods on this. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
BUMP for that guy who shit his liver out his sphinkter. ------------------ THE UNITED CHI-TOWN FREAKS | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
I smell some bullshit here. That cycle is ridiculous....he had to have been injecting and popping pills 24/7 And talk about expensive...... To much if ya ask me, by the way, i'm with mac, no way you gain 30lbs of muscle in three weeks...you would be waking up at night screaming because you're body would be growing so fast. Besides, could you imagine going from 19in arms to 22in arms in 3 weeks? MAYBE three moths..... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
BUMP this again this is to funny. ------------------ THE UNITED CHI-TOWN FREAKS | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
Thirty pounds in three weeks? If that was true we'd all be doing it. Wait till he loses water and his sus leaves his system. Yeh he'll still have some gains but not thirty pounds in three weeks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 244 |
BUMP for ROY D RAGE!!!!I like your style Bro! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 43 |
I'll bet that he has some real nice stretch marks to go along with that 30lbs. People already look at bodybuilders as being unintelligent and jack-ass's like this just add fuel to the fire. By going ten weeks I would save money, cut the risks of side effects, and still gain 30lbs. Peace, | ||
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Novice
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You say you`re gonna try 3 weeks on 100mg winny a day; I can tell you you�re gonna be disapointed with the result ! I have friends that compete in BB and take more than that in their final 45/60 days (precontest). Why don`t you try something like: Primobolan 600mg / week Sustanon 1500mg / week Deca 1000mg / week Anadrol 50 2 / day Humatrope 8 ui / day You`re gonna see permanent results (Big ones), and will not destroy your health. And if You have the guts, can put some Insulin too ! But that is really dangerous toy to play with ! Good luck on your try ! Once again, just winny is too week ! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
WELL IF THAT FUCKER CAN LIVE THROUGH THAT IM NOT WORRIED AT ALL ABOUT DOING A LITTLE CYCLE OF DECA...AND THATS ONE LUCKY FUCKER TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT SHIT I CANT EVEN FIND HALF THAT SHIT NEVER HEARD OF SOME OF IT.. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
I hope this guy is downing about 60 milk thistle capsules along with this craziness! Far from healthy, Bro. | ||
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Moderator
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Ok i think we've all agreed that this post is pure crap. |
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posted August 30, 2000 10:00 AM
