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 deadlifts... are they worth it?
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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i know that deadlifts are suppose to be a great mass builder. i used to do them in high school, not anymore though. and at all the gyms i've been to, i don't see anyone doing them, may be once in a blue moon will I see someone doing it. seems like alot of BB do just fine w/o it... so to all the deadlifters out there, are they worth it?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 222 |
One word...yes. If you know anything about biomechanics and the way your body/muscles work, then you should know why it's so good. And...bench, squat, DEADLIFT...ever seen a little powerlifter?? ------------------  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1186 |
Yeah...I'm sitting here with an unusually sore middle trap muscle (only on one side), wondering if they are really worth it. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 33 |
ajc1977 when you were deadlifting what type of grip did you use??? double overhand or over/under?? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
Luv em', an absolute requirement for me. I always feel as if I've cheated myself if I don't include at least 3 good sets of Deads on leg day. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 607 |
Whenever I don't do deads in back split. I feel that my back starts to lose some thickness... Think about it there is some heavy poundages that your back is pulling during a dead. I love them and don't care if others don't do them. But you don't know what you are missing. Do them and watch your back grow. What else are you going to do for the lumbars? Hyperextensions, good mornings? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 218 |
The answer is yes. Deadlifts are excellent. I do them in cycles and I always grow. As for you never see people do them, that is because if you do them right they are damn hard. I wish I had the discipline to do them all the time. Right now I am doing a quick 12 week cycle with squat, deadlifts and bench the three core excercises. Good luck and do them if you want to grow quickly. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 398 |
Oh Shit! There is no exercise anywhere than can give you the kind of muscle stimulation deadlifts can! As for not seeing anyone do them... its been my experiance that most people come in 3 times a week. To bench. To do bicep curls. To do leg presses (and not even all of 'em do those). They are a must to build a fully formed BODY, not just a fully formed back. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 311 |
Yes, I agree with ryry, you hardly ever see anybody doing deads. A lot of gyms, you see hardly anybody doing squats, too. Why is that? Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, benches, but few squat, and nobody does deads. I try to fit deads into leg day, even though I have a "bad back," and they're risky as hell. I usually do sumo style deads; stifflegs are still more than my back can bear. When you think, though, about what Badkins says, you know he's right. Deads are probably the king of compound lifts, almost as compound as cleans, and much more compound than bench (which, in my book, ain't compound at all, I don't care WHAT anybody says about that.) Bottom line here is, sure, deads are great, and they build mass nicely because they activate so much of your musculature. I read some study (don't remember where) that used electromyographic recording and so forth, that found that sumo deadlifts activate more than 70 percent of your skeletal muscle. If that ain't efficient, I don't know what is. Bjaarki ------------------ BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
If you have any trouble developing traps, deads will be your savior. At the end of your set squeeze out some shrugs then hold the weight for another 10-15 seconds. In 2 weeks you'll be amazed at how much bigger your traps get. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 311 |
That's very interesting, FinalChapter. Deads followed by shrugs, then hold for 10, hunh? How much weight are you lifting with that, if you don't mind my asking? Bjaarki | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 3817 |
Heavy deads and squats should be the spine of your routine.  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 353 |
deads are the fucking shit, i love them, nothing else even comes close to putting the amount of strain on your body that a few sets of heavy ass deads will ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 496 |
Do your deadlifts and watch your biceps grow. It's wierd but damn if they don't kick the rest of your muscles into gear. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 607 |
I feel guilty preaching this Deadlift stuff when I havent done them in like 3 weeks... I decided to put them on hold because they were overlaping with my squat.. The weights were getting higher on both (during cycle) and when it was time for the other lift my lower back was still sore... Check my split any suggestions to minimize overlap... day 1- chest, tri, rotator, abs I removed deads because my back was still sore or weak when squats came along on tues... Anyway tomorrow is back day so the deads are going back in... Fuck it! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 457 |
Don't deadlift unless you want to get freaky big and strong................??????????? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
Bjaarki, I'm no power lifter, 425lbs for a clean 10, but my traps took off after I stopped doing shrugs on there own and just added then to the end of my deadlift sets. I think just holding the weight at then makes a huge difference too. There was a study done on birds where a weight was hung on a wing with no lifting involved. After a period of time the muscle grew. I think the time period was days or weeks but i've noticed a huge improvement in my traps since I started holding the weight. Just make sure you're going heavy enough. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 383 |
Well Bro, I have many hours of deadlifts under my belt but I will tell you that they are not really necessary. They are a great mass builder but it does force you into greater chance of injury than most free weight exercises. I know my biomechanics...so listen up. Look at the movement throughly and compare a deep squat to a deadlift. There is little difference to note. Other than including your traps, rhomboids and a little work from your lats, you have very few other muscles working in the exercise vs the squat. The glutes, hams, quads, spinal errectors, etc all work in the squat and deadlift. This means you can do deep heavy squats and get the benefit you are looking for without the greater risk of injury. I throughly work my back with other movemnets that are just as if not more effect than the back work in a deadlift as long as I squat. If you really breakdown the muscle groups and rate their involvement you'd be surprised. Although I do them, I don't do them if I have performed squats that week. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 266 |
okay, most people who know proper form and what not know that at the top of the deadlift movement you should squeeze your lats, assuming you do them on back day. But by doing this on back day right after chins, my back has gone from being far from impressive to my best bodypart. I live and die by the bench, squat, and deadlift. I personally feel that powercleans, dips, and chins should be added to that list of staple exercises but I suppose it's not my decision. But do the deads, you'll suffer, and grow because of it. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 893 |
Fuck yeah. Deadlifts built my back. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
HELL YEA...I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING BUT I CAN DEFINATLEY ANSWER THIS QUESTION!!! HELL YEA IVE BEEN DOING DEADLIFTS... 2 TIMES A WEEK FOR 6 WEEKS RELIGOUSLY AND MY BACK IS ROCK HARD....LOWER BACK THAT IS.... ITS AN OVERALL STRENGTH MOVEMENT IT MAKES YOUR BACK SORE LIKE HELL AND WHEN DONE RIGHT YOUR CAN GET REALLY THICK..BUT FOR THE NEXT 6 WEEKS I WONT DO ANY DEADLIFTS THEN ILL PICK THEM BACK UP AFTER THAT.... LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS IF NO ONE ELSE IS DOING DEADLIFTS THEN YOU DO THEM IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE ELSE....IF THEY DONT DO IT... *****WORDS OF WISDOM*****#1STUNNA | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
I have a deadlift bar in my yard and it's the core of my routine.I gained about 20 lbs. with it(I'm 160,so that's a lot).It's the bomb,but start light with SLD until you can do bwx20 or better to toughen your lower back first. Squats are no substitute IMHO but should be done also cause the deads don't do enough for your quads.If I had a choice between a life supply of free roids if I gave up my deadlift bar it's no choice,I'd keep the bar. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 139 |
No arguments that deadlifts are the shit. I agree that squats with bar rowing and other back exercises will come damn close to the results one would get from just deadlifts. I have been out for 5 days now because I did something very bad to my lower back doing deadlifts, it takes me 5 minutes to put a sock on! I hope it is muscle related but I'm starting to think it might be something worse. I love deadlifts but I wasn't even going that heavy and this is what happened (injury), so To me the risk is high. Any one know if a belt would help or allow for more safety? Anyone try these with dumbells? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
Sound info deadlift & shrugs, I want to get freaky big.  ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
Okay, have to sound in here: From my personal experience, shrugs are great trap exercises. In my opinion, the reason people dont get the results they want from them is because they use pussy weights (at least at my gym they do). I see great big dudes every day shruggin 85's. These guys should be using 130's minimum with straps (do something else for forearms). As far as deadlifts go, I do stiffs for upper hamstring/lower glute. I use one of those isolation machines for erectors. I just don't trust myself to maintain proper form AND high intensity with normal deadlifts so I choose safety over conventional wisdom. I do Smith machine squats for the same reason. If I do switch back to normal deads/squats, I will probably pre-exhaust with leg extensions. zeke b | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
Yes, they are essential to building a foundation. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 330 |
Hey DREXX, Try switching day 2 with day 5 and you won't have that overlap. Later, | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 313 |
I DO THEM EVERY 2 WEEKS AT THE BEGINING OF MY BACK WORKOUT RIGHT AFTER I WARM UP WITH CHINS FOR 10 MIN. I HIT THEM HARD FOR 4 SETS AND I DEFINETLY FEEL IT THE NEXTDAY AND I SEE IT IN MY BACK THICKNIESS ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 13 |
Can't live without them. Can you compare the feeling after doing deadlifts to any other exercise. Huge..... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
all this talk about being sore and growing is practically givin me a hard-on!! i wish i was at the gym now..i wish my legs were so sore i could barley walk...cant wait.. kram-mark | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 96 |
I use Deadlifts to strengthen my lower back. My back was annoying me quite a bit. Since I started the deads I notice a big diff... alot less pain. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 6 |
Does anyone else in here usually use an overhand grip?(As opposed to the over/under.) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 107 |
Which deadlifts? I do stiff leg on leg days and bent legs on back days. Is this right, two types for two different days? When someone claims they can do 400lb dead lifts is it the straight or bent? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 49 |
DEADLIFT IS SECOND ONLY TO SQUAT FOR STRENGTH & MASS,IF YOU DON'T DO IT THEN YOU'LL HAVE A WEAKLINK(LOWER BACK)& IT HELPS TO BUILD YOUR LAGGING BODY PART & NOT TO MENTION IT JUMP START YOUR METABOLISM.WELL YOU'RE ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR WEAKLINK.......GOT IT? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 31 |
I do deadlifts on back day; if I don't I feel like I'm losing size. Big weight for big muscles. One of the best compound movements, which of coures are best for overall growth. People don't do it because it hurts, its difficult, and if not done properly you can seriously injure yourself. DO IT! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 31 |
I use a double overhand grip, I hate mixed grips. I used to do stiff legged on leg day, then bent legged on back day. But this coupled with the squats was too much for my lower back. So now I do the squats with legs and the bent legged dls with back two days later. I think when people are talking big weigths for deads they are refering to the bent legged variety. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 311 |
DREXX: Try doing deads on leg day, you'll have less of a problem with overlap. Somebody on this thread mentioned that deads get them too sore to do squats later. I have that problem, too, so I do them on the same day, then walk around like a mummy for the next two days (like today). Anyway, I don't consider deads to be a "back day" exercise. They work so many different muscles that they're hard to classify, but when I think of "back day" I think of upper back (lats) and bi's. When I think of "deads" I think of lower back and legs, some traps. Deads just seem to be in a different group altogether from the usual "back exercises" (chins, pullups, rows, etc.). Bjaarki | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 896 |
alright, you guys present a good argument. i'll start incorporating deads into my routine. on leg day i go pretty heavy on squats. so should i do the bent legged deadlifts on leg day or on back day? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
Damn! I wish I had seen this before everybody said everything about D/L's... They're my favorite! :-) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
Squats Deadlifts and Benchpresses should be "THE CORE" of your routine.All you have to do is look and you can tell who does and doesn't do them.The reason they don't,THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE PAIN. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
Absolutely they are worth it. Should be a part of everyone's program unless an injury or health condition prevent it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 196 |
I do them in my back routine. I have found this to be most effective. I do heavy quad and ham work on leg day. Although you do use your legs with bent knee deads, I mainly feel it throught my back. I squat down so that my ass is dropped and legs are parallel to the floor, as if doing a deep, parallel squat. Fortunately we have a power-lifting bar in Powerhouse that lets you step inside it and use a neutral grip since it is diamond shaped, which allows you to not tend to lean over the bar and lift with your lower back. I always feel sore from 1 to 2 days after from my traps to my glutes. Oh, and not many people do them because they are hard and intense. Some are afraid of them. Only the true do them!! They are a must!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 607 |
Giantset: Thanks for the advice but switching from day 2 to day 5 will just move the pain to somewhere else... Now it is... Squat You suggested... Deads So either way either the Squat is affected or the deads... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 607 |
Bjaarki: That is what I will do.. Especially since I am going to be natural.. I want to minimize overlap and give myself lots of time to recup... I have tried to do Squats and Deads in the same training and couldnt do it. Atleast not with the weight I was previously using. I will do... Week 1 will be... Squat Leg Curl Hyperextension Week 2 will be... Deadlifts Leg Press Leg Curl | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 195 |
i got in late on this thread but Deadlifts are great. i get a hell of a rush handling the weight. one problem alot of people have is not using correct form. deadlifts are great period. ------------------ Email me if you have any questions | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 255 |
A lot of people are letting the most simple fact excape them...survival. Every GREAT mass building, strength gaining exercise is adapted from when we were primates. Pushing (bench press) getting under things and pushing with legs (squats) and the most commonly used, picking things up (deadlifts). Hang-Cleans are just a variation of the deadlift and therefore are a great exercise. They are DEFINETELY worth the effort. And you probably don't see a lot of people doing them because everyone is either too lazy or everyone is a health "expert" and the mainstream media says you don't need to do them and that they are even dangerouse. Do 'em! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 356 |
i did deads this morning and my lower back is killing me............. i guess this happens to everyone.. i haven't been lifting for as long as guys. i've noticed since i started doing deads that my traps have swollen up alot. |
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posted August 28, 2000 07:44 PM