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bill27

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posted August 25, 2000 06:02 PM

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Mr H

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posted August 25, 2000 06:16 PM

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I was for all of last summer. But it depresses me and shrink-wraps my package so I've kept away as much as I possibly can. GHB getting banned is one thing, Ephedrine getting the hook is a shame.


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Badkins21

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posted August 25, 2000 06:19 PM

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I don't know if I'm addicted, but I always want to take my thermogenics before my cardio days, and sometimes before I lift...Im an ex-fat kid, so I always want to keep my bf% in check, even when I'm bulking like right now...does ephedrine lose effectiveness after a while, is that why you were asking?? Let me know, drop me an e-mail...

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Bjaarki

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posted August 25, 2000 11:03 PM

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Yeah, you can develop tolerance to ephedrine (Badkins' question), and I believe you can develop dependence on it. It's a CNS stimulant similar to adrenaline.

Take a layoff for a few weeks, and see how you do. Caffeine, even strong coffee, might be a decent substitute you can take while you "detox."

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posted August 26, 2000 01:21 AM

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MR. H, WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY EPHEDRINE GETTING THE HOOK???? IF THEY ILLEGALIZE EPHEDRA/EPHEDRINE THEN I'VE GOTTA STOCK THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted August 26, 2000 01:23 AM

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I don't think I am addicted, but I always take 2 (25MG) tabs before I workout. If I don't I usually run out of energy.


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DREXX

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posted August 26, 2000 01:34 AM

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I always take 50mg of Ephedrine and 200mg of Caff + a coffee before every training

I guess I am addicted been doing this for like 2-3 years...

I better stop Nah!


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Dirk Diggler

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posted August 26, 2000 07:18 AM

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my workouts suck shit unless i take some
i used to take thermadrene but now i have started taking just ephedrine caffiene combo


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eastarr

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posted August 26, 2000 08:20 AM

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I love the stuff. I am in Ohio, even though it is illeagal here, I am getting it from a health food and supplement store here.

She claims she can seel it because she has an out-of-state dealers license. She has not had it yanked from her, so I buy and buy and buy and buy..... . . . . . . . . . . .

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Bjaarki

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posted August 26, 2000 09:37 AM

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Eastarr:

I thought alcohol and drug legality (except for sales policy [e.g., "dry counties" in some southern states and some special cases like medical use [e.g., cannabis]) is regulated at the Federal, not state, level. Ephedrine is illegal in Ohio? Bummer, man. Workout intensity must SUCK!

I've used lots of different types of ECA stacks for about 4 years. I take one day a week off, and take days/weeks off here and there on an opportunistic basis. I like Adipokinetix (Syntrax) best. It has norephedrine, which is supposed to induce less "jitteriness," but gives me a much better boost than Ripped Fuel, Hydroxycut and some of the other commercial blends.

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Primo57

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posted August 26, 2000 11:08 AM

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I love the stuff too, I usually take it
prior to work or school and never after
6:00pm - I have enough trouble sleeping
as is. It helps me concentrate (or at least
tricks me into thinking I can concentrate
better)


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posted August 26, 2000 11:28 AM

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3 years and going strong
I take it before workouts, and sometimes in the morning. Ive come off for a week once or twice, but I really need it preworkout, so I end up coming back.


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posted August 26, 2000 01:15 PM

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Eastarr- If you are in Ohio take run to PA. They have ephedrine (MINI THINS) in botles of 100 for 7 bucks at convenience stores/truck stops.

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Romeo

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posted August 26, 2000 02:51 PM

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its a shame to say it but i think that i might be ..i have been taking that shit since i was i highscholl ..now im 2 years out ...i almost always take it before my workouts ..and in the morning before work because i lose energy while i work if i dont ...it sucks...i need to stop it but i hate that tired feeling that we all get when we run out of energy ..ephedrine makes sure that doesnt happen

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Bjaarki

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posted August 26, 2000 04:35 PM

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Romeo:

You could probably do with an ephedrine "holiday" of a couple of weeks. Like I said in an earlier post, bridge with strong coffee. Caffeine is in the same drug class with ephedrine (cross tolerant and all that), and should help you get through the rigors of detox.

Haven't you built tolerance by this time. What is your current type of ECA, and what is your quantity/frequency of use? I know from your other posts and threads that you party a lot, like to chug em down, but you can really do some damage to your heart if you go too long and heavy with ephedrine. Couple of guys have croaked, FDA really has a bone in its teeth about ECA because of the deaths.

Email me offline if you want help with this. Can't promise anything, but I might be able to help.

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TranZamed

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posted August 26, 2000 04:47 PM

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When I dont take it I seriously lack motivation in the gym.


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posted August 26, 2000 04:50 PM

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I to love it but think about this

I don't think I am addicted, but I always take 2 (25MG) tabs before I workout. If I don't I usually run out of energy.

if you have to think if your addicted then you probley are


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Romeo

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you know b i would think that i would have built a tolerance as well but i started taking this new eca that i havent touched before its called '

the patented ECA its purple and black pills are ridiculous how good they are ..some days i only take like 2 a day and other days ill take like 4 at most ..but they get me hyped..i would really want to not need them ..but i feel like if i dont take them i wont have a good workout or be able to finish my workday quikly enough without getting tired....

you know what ill mail you b


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bill27

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thats my whole problem im in the same boat with you romeo.. if i dont take it before i workout i feel i wont get a good workout and when i try not to take them i feel weak and shitty.. so i take some. i usually take about 4 at a time...i have to find an alternative


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posted August 26, 2000 07:35 PM

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I am. I took them the whole time I was cutting(8 weeks). I finished taking them last weekend and this whole week I was absolutely miserable. I felt like absolte shit. Tired, un-motivated, weak, and I couldn't concentrate. It was a hellish week but I get to start eating again tomorow.


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I told my doctor I was having trouble concentrating in class and addicted to ECA. He prescribed my Adderall and it fucking kicks ass. My grades and lifts have gone through the roof. And he says it is safer than taking ephedrine.

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Bjaarki

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posted August 26, 2000 07:43 PM

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DC:

Post more about that Rx. Adderall?

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posted August 26, 2000 09:26 PM

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Adderal made me high!!!!!!!!! I was bouncing off the wall!! It felt great!!!


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posted August 26, 2000 10:02 PM

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Conflicting reports. Does ephidrine " shrink Wrap your package" ? If so how long till the He gets back into form???


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We talked about the "shrink wrap" situation on another board in the past, and yes, all the research indicates it does. Mabye not always to a great degree, but it does to some degree. This is not just the testicles, but the penis, too. It doesnt effect the size when your hard, but it does otherwise...


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I'm in the same boat as well. I've been taking ECA for a bunch of years now. I sort of cycle on and off but off is really like once every other day for cardio or lifts. Sometimes I cycle up the norm amounts but very cautiously but it doesn't help when I take in extra caffine as well. I just started taking some stuff called "adrenal support" that might help my glands a bit. I don't think it will do much but every little bit helps. Hopefully I can take it easy for awhile and lower my tolerance level then get the energy kick back once my glands have rested.

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Adderall is in the amphetamine family... Hmm, looks like I need to get to the doctor and see about treating my "lack of attention span and inability to focus", Id love to have an alternative to ECA!


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Been off of the ECA stack for about 3weeks now and my workouts are finally getting back to par...figured I would lay off of the stack before I start my cycle pretty soon..Definately need it for my cycle!!!


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Bjaarki

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posted August 27, 2000 11:46 AM

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Monster:

Is Aderall used to treat ADHD, like Ritalin?

Also, if it's in the same class as ephedrine and the other sympathomimetics, then switching from eph to Aderall is like switching from valium to librium (namely, it's no switch at all, just exchanging one drug for another cross tolerant one). You'll still have a problem with dependence, and with mood and strength deficits when you go "off" the drug, whether it's ephedrine or Aderall.

In general, drug withdrawal is kind of an inverse mirror image of the drug effect. Alcohol relaxes you, so alcohol withdrawal is characterized by autonomic disturbance. Cocaine elevates mood, so cocaine withdrawal is characterized by dysphoria. Now, with ephedrine, its use induces alertness and a feeling of intensity, so withdrawal is characterized by all those things that the bros have been talking about. Beezers put it well: "I was absolutely miserable. I felt like absolte shit. Tired, un-motivated, weak, and I couldn't concentrate."

This is a problem, bros, that only titration and "detox," not merely switching from one drug to another, will take care of. You can use the ECA stack, but you should be careful to build in "off days" as well as "drug holidays." This business of uninterrupted use for years and years is a bad idea. Like I said in an earlier post, this shit can do bad things to your heart. That's why the FDA is really looking to ban ephedrine.

Food for thought. Take care, all.

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Although you may develop tolerance to ephedrine, there is no passage of ephedrine across the blood-brain-barrier, meaning ephedrine (unlike amphetamine) will not directly affect the brain. You will not get dependent of ephedrine in a medical sense.


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