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madmitch

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posted August 24, 2000 05:41 AM

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Ok I've been doing some more reading and thinking about how to get the best effects from testosterone.

Everyone knows that testosterone can be converted in our bodies to either Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or Estrogen depending on the persons genetics. i.e. a person with high levels of 5-alpha reductase enzyme will convert testosterone to DHT more rapidly than someone who has lower levels of this enzyme.

Why is this important? Well as far as I know DHT has little or no anabolic effect what so ever, so if your body is happy converting most of the excess testosterone that you inject, into DHT you will not experience as much growth as someone who has low levels of this enzyme in their body.

This I believe is where your genetics will determine how well you respond to testosterone therapy.

How can you tell if you have high levels of this enzyme in your body? Maybe someone knows of some blood test you can take to find this out, but I believe there is a simpler way. DHT is responsible for bodily hair growth amongst other side effects, So ask yourself this? Before you started taking steroids where you naturally hairy, with hairy arms, chest and legs? If so then you probably have a fair dose of this enzyme in your body to begin with.

Ok where am I going with this? and I'm sure some of you guy's who know all this already are starting to get bored. Well our bodies are always trying to keep things in equilibrium. i.e. inject extra testosterone and your body will react by increasing it's output of estrogen or increase the rate at which it converts test to DHT to balance things out.

So how can we stop or at least slow down the conversion to DHT? Well what do you do to protect yourself from the estrogen related side effects? Come on Come on somebody!! Yes you with the nice tit's (gyno) at the back of the class "Nolvedex or Clomid" and what are both of these chemicaly similar to "estrogen" correct. Ok by adding a less powerful form of estrogen like Nolvedex or clomid you can block the effect of estrogen.

So how do you slow down or block the effect of DHT? Well I think - and you can kick my arse if I'm wrong on this, but I think you need to use steroids that are similar in structure to DHT i.e. Winstrol, Masteron, and Primobolan. By doing this I believe your body will think that it has allready been flooded with DHT and thus it will slow down its conversion of test to DHT. If this is true then I believe that the body will try to balance things by increasing the amount of free testosterone in the blood. Hay presto increased muscle growth.

So all you hairy guy's out there myself included I guess should always include some Winy or primo with each cycle.

Ok now some cleaver b*****d is going to tear this theory to pieces.


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benchmaster

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posted August 24, 2000 07:49 AM

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ok, Im not the cleaver bastard that will blow this out. Your theory is an interesting one and one that you have put alot of "educated" guess into, but remember that it is only a theory and not a fact. my advise is to try this. and if you get good results, by all means pass this along.....becuase i fit into your catagory of being hairy. let us know how it goes.

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madmitch

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posted August 24, 2000 07:55 AM

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Silly me, damn I guess I have to kick myself on the arse. There is another way of reducing the conversion of Testosterone to DHT, by Using Proscar.

Has anyone used proscar during a Test cycle and if so, did you experience better gains than with testosterone on it's own?


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Bchemist

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posted August 24, 2000 08:06 AM

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There are alot of interesting ideas in this thread. I am bumping it so I don't forget to come back to it later.

For now, I disagree that your body will increase its free testosterone in response to DHT mimicking drugs in the body. Anadrol is a DHT derivative. It's chemically similiar to DHT, yet it causes noticeable hair loss in susceptible individuals.

Body hair is also a good indicator of how sensitive you are to DHT conversion. If you are hairless, you probably won't see DHT related sides such as hair loss. Gotta go....


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madmitch

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posted August 24, 2000 08:24 AM

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BChemist

You are right, Anadrol may be a DHT derivative and causes noticeable hair loss, so is winstrol and primo. Both of them can cause hair loss in large doses, but DHT is far more powerful than Anadrol, Winstrol and Primo put together at causing side effects such as hair loss and prostate enlargement etc.

Therefore I am now thinking that a better plan of action may be to use proscar to lower the amount of testosterone being converted to DHT and replace this with a weaker derivative of DHT like Winstrol.


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Kry

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posted August 24, 2000 08:40 AM

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I am going to have to say that I believe this is a test and go thing and that it would be different for everyone.

I have tryed primo with my cycle and have got better results with just test alone and I am a hairy MF, also I have never used Novaldex and have never gotten gyno from a test cycle.

So I think the different geans differnt results

again this is all thoery.

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