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2Thick

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posted August 23, 2000 12:05 PM

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Sources are not the only people who scam. Some customers scam too.

This happenend to a buddy of mine. The reverse scammer was a member of the board named Mostmuscular.


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coolhandluke

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posted August 23, 2000 12:07 PM

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and people wonder why most sources dont front...becasue of idiots like this.....


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted August 23, 2000 12:07 PM

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Yeah I remember that 2thick.What happened,did that clown just vanish into thin air?


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Green

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posted August 23, 2000 12:07 PM

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HOw does that work?


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Vitaman

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posted August 23, 2000 12:09 PM

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Nothing like loosing trust with buyers and sellers. Fruad is everywhere.


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2Thick

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posted August 23, 2000 12:16 PM

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A reverse scammer either asks for a front, or builds trust and asks for a front. Then he disappears. There are many other variations, though.

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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 12:21 PM

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Another reverse scam is to order the goods, and say you never got anything and that unless you get your shit you will put him on scammer list. All the while you have recived the goods.


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ralphe

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posted August 23, 2000 12:22 PM

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A friend of mine ordered some supplements from an international supplier the first week of March.....The supplier assured him that the product was shipped.....anyway this went on for five months......Last week my friend received his supplements to his satisfaction......I would not have believed it if I hadn't watched it all the way through....there are good ones.....


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Slopain

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posted August 23, 2000 12:29 PM

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Thats BS. Makes good sources hard to find. When your wondering why in a pinch you need something delivered before your money is recieved by your source and he will not send it - you can thank these reverse scammers.

Funny you should bring this up, my guy is saying the same thing about another well known member of this board. Its a bitch both ways, scamming is the worst form of lying and cheating.

Slopain


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markaveli222

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posted August 23, 2000 12:40 PM

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Sounds like Mostmuscular needs his ass kicked for that one.


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gamer

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posted August 23, 2000 01:34 PM

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Makes it real hard to really build a good relationship with a good source as they never know if they can trust you either. People wonder why more sources don't want to front to prove themselves. This is as bad as the bull shit scammers we deal with as well.


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The Ranger

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posted August 23, 2000 02:22 PM

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Treat a good source like a lifting partner...there when things get tight, and vice verse...

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Ice Man

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posted August 23, 2000 02:43 PM

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Amen to that. A good source is hard to find. We gotta' take care of each other and that includes sources, customers and fellow brothers.


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Anabolic Man

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posted August 23, 2000 03:27 PM

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Man! I hate this shit too! I have had 04
people owe someone I know for one fucking
year now! This is why it is so damn hard to
front! I hate bithces who do NOT pay!

AM


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Jim Layhoe

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posted August 23, 2000 03:30 PM

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Well you are a mod so, can't you find his Ip
and trace him?
I realize you may not want to get involved, but scammers of any sort suck ass.

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big_guy1

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posted August 23, 2000 04:55 PM

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if ther eis a way to make a buck, or get free stuff, someone is bound to try it..that is what makes trust so hard...

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Dexter

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posted August 23, 2000 07:57 PM

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Bro's, I always have a strong visceral reaction to these posts about scammers.

It's simply because I despise people who lie, cheat and steal, even though I know the world is full of scammers.

I believe that most clients are decent, hardworking, honest bro's, and the percentage of scamming clients is proportionally much lower than that of "source" scammers.

But I'm beginning to understand why sources ask for full prepayment. After all, if you order from LLBean's online catalog, are they going to front?

In my mind Mostmuscular is a perfect example of a scammer, because I simply don't believe 2Thick would ever name a scammer unless there was solid proof. Ever.

So, fuck you, Mostmuscular. I hope you rot in hell, along with all the other source and client scammers.

Dexter

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Slopain

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posted August 23, 2000 08:03 PM

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I'd bump that 2Thick is as rational as any other 300 pound beast (am I close? =) and if he says something you can pretty much count on it being right on.

Death to any scammers on either end.


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Jim Layhoe

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posted August 23, 2000 08:03 PM

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That sucks, after he spent time here and learned from us and posibly shared, he would make a deliberate atempt to scam.
(Normally i don't make presumptions untill i here the other point of view, but lke dexter said 2thick would not name names unless he had facts)

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glazed_donutz

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posted August 23, 2000 11:42 PM

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dexter i hear you big buddy to the top with this one!!!!!

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DREXX

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posted August 23, 2000 11:49 PM

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It sucks to see a scammer amongst us...

Wasn't mostmuscular here a while...

I thought we where close guys c'mon... We have to stick together.. Everybody else hates us testosterone junkies...


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the truth

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posted August 24, 2000 12:08 AM

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Let's keep this at the top for a while.


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cantgetlayed

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posted August 24, 2000 12:12 AM

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most muscular, to think that I took advice from a scammer when I was a nebie, well I knew someone on this board had to be a scammer, but a reverse scammer is every bit as bad, you are truly a piece of shit

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Lextalionas

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posted August 24, 2000 01:56 AM

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You'd think someone lucky enough to have a good reliable source, would treat them like gold. Why do fucking assholes have all the luck sometimes?

If there was a god, he'd be nice to teleport one of those reverse scamming pieces of shit into a room of bodybuilders who've been scammed by so-called sources!

thieves who prey on our lifestyle should be crippled!

Lex


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Luca Brasi

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posted August 24, 2000 05:36 AM

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I hate people like that, if you treat a source well they will treat you well.
I bet half these reverse scammers are the same fuckers that would cry the most if a source scammed them too.


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Retabolil2

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posted August 24, 2000 07:05 AM

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I hate them all!!! reverse or not


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Kry

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posted August 24, 2000 08:26 AM

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I have to disagree with this post in some sense, I emailed a guy asking him for a list I told him what I was looking for and he told me he would give me a free sample of his products and services, so I said sure. Well a little while longer I recieved his products and by that time I had already got a domestic supplier to send me the stuff I need for a little bit cheaper, so I explained this to him and offered to pay for what he had sent, he said no that it was O.K. and to enjoy what he had sent. He told me that he gets the stuff for so cheap that it didn't matter all that mattered to him was that I recieved so when his other customers wants something he now's that they are going to get it. So I guess it work out for the both of us.

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charlie

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posted August 24, 2000 08:36 AM

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My friend is a source and has been hit by reverse scammers at least 3 times.

MOSTMUSCULAR is one of his customers ,WELL AT LEAST HE WAS. and was about to get a fronted parcel sent out.

MOSTMUSCULAR YOU ARE A PROPER TWAT!
AND YOU DO IT TO PEOPLE WHO ONLY LIVE 150 MILES AWAY.
One day someone might knock on ya door with a gift. and it wont be 100 shots of sus either! PRICK!!!!!!

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M!KAI

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Hmmm..!
I have a very good local source but some of the stuff he gets is pricy like clomid but other stuff like yellow cap deca and sust is cheap as hell..!

I was thinking of ordering via mail but im just to paranoid that im gonna be ripped off. as I have had a couple of people contact me and it seems they only do huge bulk ordering which to me is to risky as i have to put out a lot to start with and it only takes two or three of them to fuck up my hard earned juce money for the year i have other things to spend my money on than just juice.

But I can see why this sis such a problem as both the customer and source are both paranoid that they are gonna be screwed over.

Maybe the amswer would be to get small amounts off your source to start with then you wont have to worry about loseing $$$ or ��� over it if you do its only a little bit of cash it also works good for the source.

I think we should build up trust by little deals at first then go from there.

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rocky

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posted August 24, 2000 11:27 AM

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About a customer lying about not receiving their order - I think for the most part you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the customer.

Take my case for example, I prepaid my entire order, and 3 months later, I've still only seen not even 1/3 of my order. I still trust that I will get the rest of it, as my source has said on a couple of occasions that they reshipped. I would be really pissed if they thought I was lying. Their are still some honest people in this world.


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Slopain

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posted August 24, 2000 11:46 AM

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Screw scammers both ways.

If your source isnt using a tracking method than you need to find a new source.

If your sending money to someone and not using a tracking method you might as well kiss that money goodbye.

Tracking within the US costs $.35 cents. No signatures required. Why wouldn't you do that?!!

Slopain


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Anabolic Man

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posted August 24, 2000 12:27 PM

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Amen! Fuck scammers and anyone else with no
fucking integrity!

AM


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posted August 24, 2000 01:29 PM

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Fuck them, I dont see why someone would take advantage of such a good thing. They are fucking cunts. Thats a word that I never use, but thats what scammers and reverse scammers are!!!!


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charlie

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posted August 24, 2000 02:25 PM

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SLOPAIN.

I disagree with you.
Yes it is probably a good idea to get a tracking number but your statement about "might as well kiss your money goodbye" is untrue.

If they are dealing with a scammer then yes but there are sources out there that are genuine and honest and ALWAYS will be!

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Vitaman

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posted August 24, 2000 02:29 PM

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I have agree with Charlie. If you trust your source there is no need for tracking. If you do not trust a source, do not deal with them.


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gamer

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Slopain is not saying literally that your money is automatically gone, but rather that for .35 you are stupid to not take advantage of this as you then know if your source has in fact recieved your money and there is no longer any grey area. .35 is a small price to pay for this knowledge and I also will not work with a source that doesn't use some sort of tracking as you then know what's really going on with your product. This is just my .02! (damn there is alot of "cents" in this post huh?! lol)


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charlie

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posted August 25, 2000 05:07 AM

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Gamer.

Yes you are right .35 cents is nothing to pay for peace of mind IF IT'S PEACE OF MIND YOU NEED!

But if you feel you do need peace of mind with your Source then the partnership isnt good enough.

There should be total trust between the two.
If you find an honest Source, a Source with morals then you would never need to pay a fee to find out if he has recieved your parcel!

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Honest Sources are more at risk than the customer.

The "Reverse Scammers" find their genuine source and attach themselves to them and constantly try to take whatever they can, however they can.

The genuine Source has built up an honest reputation and he doesnt want to lose that and therefore the Scammers go to work knowing that all their honest dealer wants to do is keep everyone happy!

My source is ripped off EVERY MONTH, so he told me.

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AHKA

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posted August 25, 2000 08:10 AM

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I fronted to a lots of customers and most did not payed
Some payed but after weeks and weeks and they were in need for another stuff
Thats why I dont front aymore there are lots of people that are happy to fuck someone

ALIN


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posted August 25, 2000 11:09 AM

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god post,bump it up bro��s

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I piss on them.

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ralphe

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Always track the package.......I have a friend that did on two packages and did not on two more......one of the two (not tracked) did not make it for some time (month) and this was state to neighboring state........

It is to protect both of you....even if you trust each other....protects you from others taking you package....

Just my opinion.......that and a buck might get you a cup of coffee

Later,


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back2basics

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A pitty things like this happen. Good, reliable sources should be respected.


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damn bro, i know how that is.
my sources and i first transaction was a trip.
he fronted me $900.00 in AS before i paid all in good faith that i would. he told me ill front you what you want and once you recieve send me the money.
man i didnt even know this guy and he didnt know me, lucky for him i a very honest guy and so i paid him his money. probably only cost him $200.00 for that AS but hey a deal is a deal.
but for his trust in me i am very loyal to him.
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Zeacky

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posted August 25, 2000 04:13 PM

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Hay ya 2thick where have you been, I used the seach function and it seems to me that you have been posting a lot over at the powerlifting board@!


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swol, I enjoy hearing success stories such as yours. Sounds like you have a top-notch bond with your source, one of mutual respect and genuine trust.

My guess is that it cost him a bit more than $200. Sources make a living, and to the best of my knowledge aren't driving Mercedes 600's.

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