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Ironman23

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posted August 23, 2000 10:18 AM

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I am starting a 3 month program with just creatine to start for an hour aday, what are some good ways to go about this?


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havoc

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posted August 23, 2000 10:22 AM

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You cant, its called discipline, patience, consistency and determination not some get big quick bullshit, you have to put your time in and learn what works best for you and your physique, this will probably take around 5 years and then your going to still be learning, the learning process doesnt stop, dont be a typical person who wants a quick fix, learn through trial and error.

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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 10:26 AM

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bump that, you have to pay your dues day in and day out, year after year, yoiu have to make it your lifes work. Are you ready to do that? Give up your social life and partying, if not then go jogging.


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Ironman23

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posted August 23, 2000 10:26 AM

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I have been lifting for three years now but i never took any supplements,i just got cut as hell but i want to gain more weight. thanks


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Juice Junkie

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posted August 23, 2000 10:28 AM

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Good way to start... What is your age? Your height, weight, bodyfat (approx.) and some or your goals. My feeling is that you are in high school probably 16-17 (not a slam just guessing) and that you are slender by nature. For this I would say take creatine 5 times a day read the instructions. Each serving is usually around 5 grams a piece. Do this for the first week. Then continue at 2 servings a day. one first thing in the morn. and the other right after a workout. Start by training one muscle group a day.

day1 - legs
day2 - chest
day3 - biceps
day4 - triceps
day5 - back
day6 - shoulders

Do this as well as getting a hold of a good protein supplement or better yet a meal replacement powder and all should be good. You will be surprised at how quickly it will come. Stay off the juice for now. If you start to soon you will only hurt your maximum potential. email me if you need more help.

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Just a note.... Nice to see a newbie who isn't a dumbass


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Bjaarki

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posted August 23, 2000 10:39 AM

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Ironman: The bros are right. Take your time. This is gonna take YEARS, bro.

BTW, ain't it a good thing that getting big DOES take a long time? Otherwise, everybody would be an Arnold.

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Ironman23

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I'm 22 my hight is 5'11" my weight is 175 i'm not sure what my body fat is. all i know is that i eat like a pig and i am not gaining any weight, i am pretty cut but just want to gain mass. thanks


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Badkins21

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posted August 23, 2000 11:22 AM

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Welcome bro, you've come to the right place...if you're just gettin' started, forget about the juice for a while--read all the posts about it, keep trainin' heavy as hell, eat lots of whole foods like eggs, beef, chicken, tuna, turkey, etc. and lots of whole wheat breads/pastas, fruits and vegetables, then keep your protein intake real high with a good whey/casein protein blend, and add in some creatine/glutamine, and maybe some BCAAs, and maybe even some Ribose (althoug it's new and I don't know of any real lab tests yet), and then if you can get some Methoxyisoflavone, I've heard it's good stuff...stay away from the prohormones, then after a year or so, decide if you're ready to hit the real juice!! Good luck on your trail to massiveness...drop me an e-mail if you've got any questions...

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Ironman23

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posted August 23, 2000 11:36 AM

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like i said i have been lifting for 3 years pretty heavy, and i got pretty cut,i have some sus. on the way but i what to lift for atleast another three months before i take it, i what to see what a three month cycle of creatine will do for me frist. thanks


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Twisted_Steel

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posted August 23, 2000 11:39 AM

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Visit your local creditor, request a loan of approximatly 60 thousand dollers. Then come talk to me.

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havoc

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posted August 23, 2000 11:49 AM

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Dont go the juice route at all, juice isnt respectable , anyone can make gains off of it, replace those thoughts with proper training and diet.

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Ironman23

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thanks i will keep that in mind, i did have great accompishments with out it so far i just want to gain weight thanks for the info


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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 12:03 PM

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Havoc, wtf, what do you mean juice is not respectable, and not just anyone can make gains off it, you have to nail the diet and the whole deal in order to make gains. You just showed what a complete moron you are.


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havoc

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posted August 23, 2000 12:14 PM

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Complete moron huh? hmmm 240lbs, 6%bf, 24 years old, 5'10, All natural, looking robotic, far from a moron , if you juice you better look like a top amateur or pro, if not your genetics are that of a piece of fruit, people rely on bullshit, bodybuilding is a science , you must figure out the perfect formula for yourself. You speak of diet, I have been eating 10 meals a day for the last 4 years, havent missed, havent met one individual as dedicated as I, speak for your self. I am taking this shit to a new level.

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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 12:18 PM

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Yeah, right.lol. lets see a picture.


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Badkins21

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posted August 23, 2000 12:21 PM

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Everyone stop yellin'...'Roids aren't "not respectable," it's just a choice that some make...if you can stay natural and make the gains you want and stay competitive, KUDOS TO YA', but if you wanna break a plateau, and take your physique to the next level, I think juice is the only way to go, 'cause you break through your genetic limits! I've done 3 small, local bb shows, and want to hit the NPC next year, so I'm planning a first cycle for after X-mas, then "maybe" a cutting one for the show, jsut 'cause I know I won't stand a chance without the juice...again, it's all personal choice, so if you don't think juice is respectable, I think you're on the WRONG BOARD BRO!!

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HelmsmaN

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posted August 23, 2000 12:23 PM

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So ya wanna get big eh? Heavy squatts and deadlifts are the order or the day...have you ever seen a small powerlifter??


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havoc

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Thats the usual response, dont judge others where you are lacking, post a pic to prove to you and people on the elite board, I rather crochet, I am in Houston, Tx, anytime your here email or let me know, I will show you a few things, also to many people know me here in Houston to post a pic, would be detrimental to my job with regards to some private info. I have acknowledged from time to time, everything I post is truth, got no reason to lie or impress mofos on a damn computer. Genetics play a big role, I just believe to many people are impatient and turn to gear too early, I am not against it, hell there is a mofo in my office right now who has a 15,000 dollar a year bill for gear, its just not for me because I dont need it, like I said I am taking this shit to a new level never even imaginable NATURALLY. Peace.

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Ironman23

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posted August 23, 2000 12:28 PM

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thanks bros i'll give it a shot


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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 12:39 PM

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Havoc, if your 240 with 6%bf and natural you should be a shoe in for the Natural Mr.O. The only natural bodybuilders I have seen are the runts that work at GNC, but anyway hell bodybuilding is bodybuilding, its all good. Havoc, if you ever come to Raleigh NC e-mail me and I'll show you a few things. You can see my picture at: www.webspawner.com/users/jdisbodybuilding/


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havoc

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Lived in Charlotte for a year and Fayetteville for 2 years, graduated there actually , been to Raleigh plenty of times, played a collegiate basketball game in the Dean Dome, from the looks of your picture you have a solid foundation, if I am in town I will let you know. Also I dont do this shit to compete but those natural goofs wouldnt even compare.

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Curious

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posted August 23, 2000 12:46 PM

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If you think juicing is not respectable then you are posting on the wrong board. Go somewhere else.

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jdismukes

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posted August 23, 2000 12:56 PM

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Thanks havoc, sorry for the misunderstanding, get up with me next time your in town.


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havoc

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No problem, I appreciate your understanding as well, and for those who question me being on this board, at first I answered the initial question of the post then it turned into something else, for future references I will post wherever I can add some of my personal insight. Peace!

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Juice Junkie

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No shit this is the Anabolic Discussion Board dedicated to educating those interested about the proper use of Anabolic Steriods. Juice and be proud.... Damn.

If you haven't reached your full potential naturally then juicing isn't the way to go. Creatine is a great way to start. Getting bigger is just as simple as this and I am a hardgainer. If your body needs 2000 cal a day to maintain your current body weight you have to give it more. Now you can do two things. Eat more (which you need to do anyway) or shorten your workouts and cut out cardio until it's necessary like before a competition. I started working out at 130lbs. at 5'-8" skiny as hell. I now am 220 at about 8% BF. This has taken some 4 years but the majority of my gains (130-190) where with creatine and MET-RX over a 2 year period no juice. I had to cut all cardio and shorten my workouts to 30 min. max. For a whille I left the gym feeling like I hadn't done anything but after a while you see the results. There are a lot of reasons for being catabolic: overtraining, poor diet, dehydration whatever the trick is to find out what you are doing wrong. Creatine and MRP's were the answer for me though as well as putting a stop to my overtraining.

JJ


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Nothing like good conversation, it is like all of us, HEALTHY.

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havoc,

i don't care if you have the best genetics in the world. don't come to the anabolics room talking like you are the absolute shit. good for you that you have excellent genetics and you don't need to juice. but some of us bros are not as blessed as you. perhaps you think that everyones genetics are the same so you get off talking about how you can achieve everything through proper nutrition and intense training. well i got news for you, it ain't! this ain't the chat room bro, don't come here and make some ignorant statement like "juice isnt respectable". if you don't agree with it fine, but don't come here trash talking about it...

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MP5

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Havoc, how is juice not "respectable" yet you are soooo proud of being a pothead. Give us a break, "indica is a blessing, ganjaville, sativa" You are an idiot, I guarantee you spend more on drugs in a year than I do on hormones.


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havoc

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Is there a fucking echo in here Ryry, what you said has already been said, there was no need for your redundant post, I have already explained myself. Others with the same answer or reply your wasting your breath.

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posted August 23, 2000 02:19 PM

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Dont think so , I grow it, herb contains 19 essential elements fool.

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If you grow it you are begging to go to prison, big difference between possesion and cultivation, and I am sure the 19 elemants aren't found anywhere else, yeah right...Ps, my lungs are still pink and my brain is not fried.


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HAVOC: Dont worry what these punks say to you. Anybody who is built larger than most people wish they could be are subject to be called a steroid user. You say your natural. Good for you.


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this is better than "judge judy." we all have opinions as long as we don't hurt anybody with stupidity. "why don't we all just get along." just kidding--i know the answer.

[This message has been edited by arcboss (edited August 23, 2000).]


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The question is "how to get big quick"

Pump 15 gallons of Synthol into your body. You will be big quick.


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FEEL THE LOVE IN THIS ROOM....lol


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Ironman23

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thanks for all the info.....


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Bjaarki

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Bros, let's not knock Havoc. There are a couple of reasons for this.

First, he contributes good posts.

Second, it's good to have some differences of opinion. Otherwise, you're all just pulling each others' puds.

Most importantly, there is a difference between "anabolic" and "gear." Gear is one path to anabolism, but only one. They are not synonymous, as Juice Junkie seems to imply with his remark, "No shit this is the Anabolic Discussion Board dedicated to educating those interested about the proper use of Anabolic Steriods." Havoc's got his own road. I say more power to him!

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just lift , lift ,lift and eat like a pig !


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If I have offended some just dont pay any attention, do your own thing and I will do mine, sorry for the confusion but now its time to go to sleep for 3 hours then the gym is going to be my Bitch for the day. Thanks for the support from others, sincerely appreciated.
PS, dont remember who it was but my lungs are in beautiful shape and go to:
www.marijuanafacts.com to brush up on your ignorance dipshit.

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Many bodybuilders overtrain and then take steroids to get their body to adjust to their routine instead of the other way around. I often have the tendency to overtrain as well. The best way to put on mass is to stick to the basic lifts: bench press, deadlifts, and squats. Throw in various accessory exercises as your body allows. If you are natural there is no need to train more than three days a week. I would suggest that you pick up the book The Poliquin Principles. It goes into depth about intensity, time under tension, rep speed, and set and rep schedules. Good luck. Arnold lifted from his early teens to acheive what he did. It will all come in time.

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Bjaarki

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posted August 23, 2000 03:32 PM

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Arnold didn't lift 3 times a week, and he didn't follow any of Poliquin's other principles either.

Roughly stated, lifting is like everything else. What you get out is proportional to what you put in. Just don't tear a tendon or something, and you'll never be "overtrained." That's a bullshit concept, anyway. Undernourished? Yeah. Insufficient rest? Yeah. Overtrained? Nah.

Just my $.02. Time to go "overtrain" some more.

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Opinions guys!!! Everyone has their right to post!! Thats why this board is cool.Havoc-If what you say is really true,my hats off to you!! 240 clean-Damn! I'm 5'6" 200-210lbs.7-8% but that is NOT clean!!! hehee

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Jeff_rys

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240 pounds and 6 % bodyfat, well excuse me nobody gets that way "all natural".
Natural for me is taking proteine, vitamins, amino acids, iron pills and that's about it.
Prohormones for me is NOT natural. If tomorrow the state says they are on the black list, then all of a sudden nobody is a so called natural anymore. I say this not only to you Havoc but to ALL the so called naturals. You may think of me what you want, nobody can make me change my mind about it.

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posted August 23, 2000 08:08 PM

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Well if your that young and want to put on size, forget all the fluff and stick to the basics. Bench press, squats, deadlifts, military press, bent rows.
Alternate between dumbells and barbells to keep the body guessing. All the pro's ,all the books, all the advice you ever need is the basics. Lift in good FORM, lift heavy, add weight and progress ( whether its a 2 1/2lb plate or 5 )
Ironman magazine has a couple of books : "Ultimate guide to building muscle mass" and "Ultimate bodybuilding encyclopedia" good, large formatt books. For the natural or not some good routines and all around knowledge that will help you or any body out!
peace.


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