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 Short Cycle... thoughts...
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 315 |
Ok, wednesday will be 14 days, and at the 12 day mark Im up about 12 lbs. Im not using orals, so theres no intramuscular water involved, so it should be mostly honest gains. But thats beside the point. I wanted to give a little update on sides. A little background first... I was doing 250mg of sustanon a day for 10 days, and Ive done 400mg of deca, with another 400mg in a little while. (I also did 200mg of deca a day for 3 days at the beginning to get some of the joint relief benefits). Ok, Ive used NO anti-e's. Ive had no nipple sensetivity or anything, no water retention (not an appreciable amount), and my skin is a little oilier than usual, but nothing unbearable. My initial suspicion seems to be panning out, and the slow and steady loading has kept sides down, even though the overall dosage is high. (1750mg sustanon, 1400mg deca). Just thought Id throw that out there for those of you following along in my human guniea pig study...     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 976 |
I was at 1250mg a week sust and didn't notice any sides until about 6 weeks into it. Give it time, your pimples will pop out and your nips will be so sore, you'll want to express them to relieve the pressure. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 96 |
Damn man, that seems like a HELL OF A LOT OF JUICE, you must be pretty damn f*ckin' experienced. That's like twice the sust that is usually spoken of on this board, and like 3 times the deca! Do you have the anti-estrogens on hand just in case, seems like you should at that high a doses! ------------------  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
Its a lot of juice in the technical sense, but actually, by doing the sustanon daily, it means that there is actually less active ester active in my system at once than doing even 750mg a week all at once. Thats what keeps the sides down. But yeah, I have anti-e's on hand just in case. After the deca, I'll be doing 100mg of prop a day for 10 days, then coming off for a clean period (about 20 days or so). Im thinking about doing a similar cycle but trying to cut with it instead of bulk... Chesty: The whole cycle will only run 4 weeks, so Im thinking that will help me avoid the sides (that was the whole point of trying androgen loading). I usually do 1 gram of sust a week on cycle, and dont really get acne, so it shouldnt be much different either way (I hope)... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
good cycle im on 250mgs sust per day 100mgs oxy 4 10 the 200 deca whith 100 oxy till 21 10 days gear free then a 10 day anabolic only ie primo winstrol ect | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 268 |
"Its a lot of juice in the technical sense, but actually, by doing the sustanon daily, it means that there is actually less active ester active in my system at once than doing even 750mg a week all at once." MONSTER, I am not sure where you got this idea, but this is incorrect. Since the smallest ester in Sus has a half life of around 2-3 days, taking it daily will be pushing your levels up daily. In less than a week your blood levels will easily exceed a 750mg weekly dose. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
I figured that your progress so far would be positive. The majority of the test in the sustanon has not even kicked in yet as you probably already know, so the best is still yet to come. This definitely makes for great suspense! | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 15 |
hey monster, i am very intrigued by your lil experiment that ya have going here and while i havent even begun my first cycle (nov 1st is the designated day for that, 500 mgs of omna for 8 weeks) i am wondering as to when you would think it ok to start something like this....i wouldnt consider it for a first but i would like to know if it would be applicable for say a 5th cycle....well bro thats all for now and please keep us informed of your progress...THANX!! peace | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
Cockdezl: Youre failing to take into account that as the first shot hits, it dies off before the third shot kicks in, so there is NOT alarge amount of any one ester active at any time. The 750mg analogy was just a number I pulled out of my ass, but the effects are way easier on the system than a straight dose. The whole point is keeping a steady dose of androgens. As the 1st 30mg of prop hits, the 2nd follows, before the 3rd, the 1st is gone and it follows that pattern for about 5 or 6 days till the second ester becomes active. Then it follows the same pattern, but with the prop also coming in and out at regular intervals. Then the 3rd ester... ect, ect... It is FAR FAR less gear than doing mabye 1000mg a week (or less I still believe. I'll sit down and figure it out later). But in less than a week my blood levels will be no where near 750mg levels. A 750mg dose all at once gives 90mg of prop immediatly, where as I have 30mg of prop day 1, 30 day 2 (60 total), day 3 has day 1 dying off and leaves me with day 2 and todays 30mg (total 60mg) and it goes on like that. When the other esters kick in it follows a similar course, but with multiple esters active. Following deesterification principles, this gives me a far lesser dosage at any one time, but a more steady dose. Following this with a medium strength androgen, and finally a quick androgen (prop) to ride out the sust and control the cycles end... 10lbs of gains at 12 days isnt generally good for me, but most of the rest of the gains I get would be from intramuscular water (what dbol does best). I was concerned about not getting the temporary strength gains from the orals, but my strength is up anyway (I inclined the 120lb dumbells for reps today, about 10lbs up)... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
Machine: Actually, the theory is sound for even a first cycle. You would just change the dosage. Using 500mg omna, you could do 250mg monday and 250mg wednesday for 10 days. But the medium and quick acting androgens are a must for the cycle. They are used so you can control the ending of the cycle exactly. The whole point of this cycle is to reduce sides and keep time between cycles limited, but long enough to recover. After these 30 days, you take off 20 days to recover, then jump right back in for 30. Controlling the ending is important. A lot of people do 8-10 weeks of sustanon (or omna) and figure theyre "off" at the end of the 8th (or 10th) week. But you have 3-4 weeks after your last shot before youre clean. So an 8 week cycle actually lasts 11 weeks before youre really clean... Just something to think about. I gotta get to bed!!! |
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posted August 21, 2000 09:05 PM