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 "To Gain and Maintain".An ultimate Cycle for retention?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 57 |
Hey Bros.. I've been studying AAS intensely for about 4 years now. Although I haven't used every drug available, I've used a good bit. For my livelyhood, I can't get "too huge" and I need to keep sides to a minimum. What I'm looking for is about 12-15 pounds of solid skeletal muscle without the usual rise in BP, disturbed sleeping patterns/night sweats, terrible acne and hair loss. Basically a cycle one could use once per year and still maintain excellent health with minimum risk. I'm proposing a cycle I think will do this for "most" people. Before I start, this cycle won't help a Pro or a hardcore heavy dose dependant user. But for a lot of folks looking for physique augmentation and increased musculature it should do wonders. I don't plan on starting this cycle until November. When I do, I'd like to create a "diary" so many of you can avoid the pitfalls I undoubtably will run into. Without further adieu. Week 1: Week 2: Week 3: Week 4: Week 5: Week 6: Week 7 Week 8: Week 9: Week 10: Week 11: Week 12: Week 13: Week 14: Week 15: Use Tac for the next 4-8 weeks as well.(depending how much hair has been lost and how susceptible one is) Training should be very intense from Week 4 until Week 12.(insert your favorite paradigm as the routine..don't overdo it. I "think" 3-4 days per week is max(even on gear). You don't grow in the gym.(some prolly do.;-) At Week 13 cut kcals by 15%. Increase Water and EFA's.(the adipo should help with hunger)It depends on your phenotype as to which way to go with the diet. Some can get lean eating a carb based diet, others like myself do better on lowered carbs. By Week 16-17 you should have normal test back up and running and thereby ensuring your gains are kept. I invite criticism or other information that would help make this cycle more optimal. I'll explain in more detail as to why I tapered the way i did if someone asks, but for me the bottom line is restoring HTPA. That is the ticket if you want to "grow and show" for long term planning. Peace, TD     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 36 |
Tony, VERY INTERESTING and well thought-out. I'm wondering about the drop in cal in week thirteen. Is this just a drop in carbs? What kind of protein/carb/fat ratio will you be trying to keep during the cycle and immediately afterwards? Assuming the "normal" level of calories you're eating now, how many cals will you be going up on cycle and how many weeks after the cycle will you be getting back to this "normal" level. Thanks man, moondog | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
quote: I'm currently 6-1 206 pounds at 6.5%. I'm eating 6x a day. Haven't been counting kcals exactly lately, but estimate it to be about 2850-3400 kcals a day.(So when on take the high end * .15. This summer I have been using my own modified low carb diet. I carb up at night every 3rd day. Has really done the job for me. I'll prolly be at normal kcals(like I am now)around Week 17-18. I always try and give it 4-6 weeks of solid dieting. Thanks for reply. TD | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
I've never tried a cycle like the one you are proposing. The only thing close to a "cutting" cycle I ever do is trailing a test-based stack with winny. When I'm on, I basically eat whatever I want and try to get 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. I hate clen and ECAs because I'm prone to anxiety attacks and clen just makes them worse. My next cycle will most likely consist of 1g of test, tapered down to 250mg by week 8, 40mg of dbol tapered down to 20mg by week 5 and most likely either 300mg Equ or 400 mg deca for 8 weeks and maybe a moderate to low dose of winny from week 6-10. I need to give the whole thing more thought. Anyway, my bodyfat is high right now (6'1'', 248, 18-20%) Does it make any sense to try to restrict my carbs while on a cycle like that or is that foolish? Thanks | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
Bumpin her up... Just trying to see if anyone else wants to comment? TD | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 460 |
Hey bro, Just curious as to why you are waiting until week 2 to start your hairloss protection agents. Especially since the T-prop is so quick acting. I also prefer to take nizoral 3 days on 1 off or EOD. Taking it ED tends to dry out my scalp. Maybe you don't have the same problem. I would also use the spironolactone in the morning and at night since it is cheap enough - at least while you're not using the flutamide. Your dosages of AS are quite low, especially after week 3. For myself, I would be worried that I would be below a growth threshold. If you find you stop gaining any weight after week 5 or so, you might want to up some of the dosages. However, you are only looking for a little over a pound a week so you might be alright with what you have. Overall, I'd say it looks like a well thought out cycle. It looks good on paper so I hope it works just as well for you in practice. I look forward to your updates! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 189 |
Interesting thread. Bump this for more comments by vets. Bjaarki ------------------ BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 72 |
Man, I think after 4 years of research, you know your sh*t...that looks like a very well-planned, well-thoughtout cycle. Diet will be the key, though, just make sure you're eating enough good meats, eggs, etc. If I were you, too, I'd add in some pharmaceutical grade ephedrine since Adipokinetix doesn't have that in it...but that's about the only comment I have on the actual ingredients of your mix... ...my 2 cents... **Definitely try and keep that diary, it would really help us "somewhat newbies" out to see what happens... ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
Thanks for the info bros. AM...I think you're right. I should go a bit heavier on the hair loss protection with the Prop.(initial phase) You're correct in assuming I only want 1 pound per week of pure skeletal muscle. Is there anything you might add before I go on this cycle to make it more productive? Anybody ever got anything from adding in HMB while "on"? TD | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 301 |
I think clomid is a bad choice for anti-e protection... but if youve had good luck with it before, I guess you should go with it! Another note on clomid is that a lot of recent research shows that long term use may be detrimental to the HPTA, actually making the full swing start up of testosterone production harder. I still say starting near the end and running it a few weeks past the "clean" point is more efficiant. Armidex is a way better choice for anti-e. Plus it'll keep your blood pressure down, and shouldnt interfere with the AS (from what most people say). As for AS choices, they seem to be right on point! I dont use orals, myself, but thats a personal choice. I hope you do keep us updated on how it goes! |
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posted August 20, 2000 01:50 AM
Some individuals may be susceptible to Estrogenic sides...if so use Clomid at 50mgs EOD throughout the cycle as added protection)