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 my supplier never cycles!!!!!!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I don't think my local supplier ever cycles off of anything. He is constantly on some type of AS. He just had to have his appendix taken out a month or so ago.. could this prolonged AS use have caused that?      | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Well i had a buddy how always staid on test. and he took a-bomb all the time, The only way he would stop taking a-bomb is if he was pissing blood, or had a court hearing.Crazy fuck. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 3700 |
It really depends on the dosages, but non-stop use can cause a lot of bad things. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 3754 |
God 2thick, what evidence do you have that prolonged exposure to steroids will to lots of bad things???? Where did you get this info?? I know several people who never come off and they've been doing this for more than 15 years, with no adverse side effects, of course it depends on dose and what you're taking but making statements like that is just dumb. Never coming off is not a bad thing at all, it's just expensive. To answer the question i doubt that his steroid use had anything to due with his appendix being taken out. [This message has been edited by E2 (edited August 19, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
do u prefer to stay on all the time e2?? just curious dl20 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 294 |
Ya think low doses of dbol for say.. 12 weeks would definately be a no no? Like taking 30mg a day for 3 weeks and cycle down to 15mg and stay there for the remainder of the 12 weeks. | ||
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E2, If you had read my response carefully, you would have noticed that I said they can cause problems. For example, non-stop use of 17AA will cause liver damage. Also, highly toxic substances such as Tren, Anadrol, Halo (etc) have undoubtedly shown evidence of damage when used over extended periods. Once again, read carefully before you criticize, brother. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 65 |
2thick looks like he's right on this one. STUMP | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 230 |
hell yes E2 vs. 2thick
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Cool Novice 
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I would think if one could aquire psorosis of the liver from alcohol abuse's strain on the liver one could get the same type of effects from 17-aa steroids. If each are used pragmatically then there should be no problem, however it sounds as if this supplier is thinking more about staying on juice rather than what is most effective for him vs. side effects. I would have to agree with 2Thick. Just my 2cents.  | ||
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You did say can, so i guess you're right in your statement, it's the way in which you seem to advocate such light use of steroids that bothers me. Now, here we go again. "For example, non-stop use of 17AA will cause liver damage. Also, highly toxic substances such as Tren, Anadrol, Halo (etc) have undoubtedly shown evidence of damage when used over extended periods." So you know that 17aa will cause liver damage?? How do you know this, have you done tests yourself?? How are the scientists in the studies determining that they cause liver damage?? By elevated liver enzymes AST KLP ELKP billiruben etc....???? How do you know that they are idicators of actual liver damage??? WE of course know that they are elevated whent he liver is under stress and when it's been physically damaged, but we also know that just excersising will also cause an increase in all of these enzymes to levels which indicate a damaged liver. So now i ask you do you know anyone who has become jaundiced or has suffered a liver shutdown due solely to the use of anabolic steroids??? If now then how do you know that they will cause liver damage?? Personally i've never met a one. I do know people who have killed themselves with juice while combining it with many other drugs. This 'common knowledge' that all these drugs are extrememly harmfull to our bodies needs to be re-examined and studied competenly in relevant studies. All the personal experience i have with myself and many many others, points to steroids being relatively harmless when taken properly.
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Moderator
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I will make you a deal. You take Winny and d-bol for a year straight and see if you have any liver damage. I understand that you are referring to non-stop cycles that include light and heavy periods while changing steroids in a pre-determined manner that can be done successfully if well thought out, but the average person does not know that and WILL hurt themselves without the proper knowledge. They imagine cycles of 1000mg/week of Sust for months on end and that is not healthy or productive. That is why I lay down such simple and blanket questions to simple and blanket questions. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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I'll take you up on that offer no problem, 1 year of dbol and winny. What doeses??? The only problem is that winny makes me depressed after i've been on it for more than a two months. It's a hard life, but someone has to grow. As for blanket answers how does that help people to learn?? [This message has been edited by E2 (edited August 19, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 743 |
"Relatively harmless when taken properly" never coming off,in my eyes is not taking A.S properly.
[This message has been edited by Jim Layhoe (edited August 19, 2000).] | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 3700 |
It helps people because instead of just stating that non-stop cycles are okay (without any important details), I tell them they are not okay now (and eventually after years of research, they finally understand how to do a proper non-stop cycle). You may not understand that many people listen to and believe what you say without a doubt and you should consider your answer with the least educated member in mind. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Of course i understand that some people take our words at face value and never go out and learn and do research on their own. Now i do believe that giving people half answers isn't the solution to anything, it just keeps peopele in the dark longer. Well i guess that's why we're both here, to get on each others nerves and discuss things so people can realize that there aren't any clear cut answers with anabolics. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Every now and then your body needs a good cleaning out. For me a minimum of four weeks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 102 |
Props to E2 and 2Thick for a great discussion!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 25 |
Took d-ball+Winny(oral)for 12 weeks, and had no problems. I didn't use the injectable versions because I'm paranoid about needles. However, I had been off gear for 6 months before doing this cycle so my liver+receptors were nice and fresh. I would not recommend doing these two types of 17-AA steroids for a duration of 8-12 weeks, without first having taken at least 3-6 months rest beforehand. Whoever wants to try this, e-mail me for help. I only take oral steroids because I've never liked syringes. By the way, even if you took winny+d-ball for a year at low dosages(15mg d-ball+15mg winny/day), your liver would get truly fried. Godspeed |
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posted August 19, 2000 04:16 PM
JIM LAYHOE