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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 02:58 PM

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I was watching the Discovery channel last night and they had a piece on the US Customs Service.

Did you know they are the oldest police force in America?

When entering the US you do not have the protection of the Fourth Ammendment! (even if you are a US Citizen) What that means is that if a Customs Agent wants to search you, detain you arrest you, he does not need probable cause he just does it. I understand why they need this authority, but it sucks for us.

The dogs they use are trained to detect only five substances. Marijuana, Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, I can't remember the fifth one, but steroids is not on the list. In fact, the agents only talked about cocaine and marijuana and guns. All the busts they showed had nothing to do with steroids. So, that means your chance of crossing into the US succesively with small amounts of personal
use is high.

Just some info for those heading south now and then.

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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 03:11 PM

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bump!!


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posted August 19, 2000 03:18 PM

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Interesting.

I have a good buddy who is huge (but natural) and he goes to the states every month or so to spend hundreds of dollars on real supplements (such as DHEA, Creatine, etc.) and gets stopped at the border every time and is interrogated and searched because he looks like a gear-head.

One time they photocopied all of the labels of his supplements and sent them to the Canadian DEA...lol. He got a phone call weeks later that was dealt with easily.

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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 03:21 PM

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I had always wondered what their authority was. Since my authority when I was a Deputy came from the Constitution. Now I am going to be extra careful and now at this new found weight I don't think I will be going south too often.


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bsjohnson

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posted August 19, 2000 03:24 PM

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yep i saw it. They didnt' even talk about steriods. I believe they said something like they only check 5% of all packages,and they are very picky on the ones they choose.


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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 04:03 PM

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Yes, I believe your right. So, you figure out of all the mail that comes into the US, I figure the only way they will catch someone is if the return address is flagged or the recipient name or address is flagged, they got a tip, or blind luck. I am sure certain countries are flagged by default which narrows down the search.

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animal B

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posted August 19, 2000 04:22 PM

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listen ..my info comes direct from talking on the phone with customs...your chances of entering the USA with personal quantity of gear is 100%..if you have a script from the country of origin up to 3 months use,,,they can not search you unless there is cause...some of you know this story so I wont repeat it,,,my last time passing customs in the USA, I had about $5000 in gear and other stuff on me and in my carry bags...well I was stopped...they checked my bags and found 200 valiums and 190 clomids..I had scripts for this...95 % 0f the other stuff was on my person...I walked through...dripping of sweat....they wont pat you down..


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bsjohnson

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posted August 19, 2000 04:26 PM

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Animal B, i remember that story.hehe. hey chesty, yep i would agree, about the the addys being flag, and also if your source packaging methods suck. That can also be a tip off.


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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 04:28 PM

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Not too doubt who you talked too, but my information comes not just from the interview on tv, but from experience.

If they want to pat you down, search you, probe you throw you in a cell and forget about you they can. They are not I repeat NOT bound by the fourth ammendment which is the protection against unlawful searches and seizures.

Remember this: While Customs may let you into the US with a valid script from the country of origin. Most states have laws that require the script be from a US doctor. Therefore, while not violating Federal law, you are in violation of State law.

Again, I speak from professional experience.

Deputy Chesty

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posted August 19, 2000 04:36 PM

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chesty I know you are a person with experience and knowledge..laws direct from phone conversation with usa customs in miami
305 869 2884..ask for tracy
you are premitted meds for personal use up to 3 months with a script from country of origin...this is federal law and outways state law..
if you order meds through the mail..you need to have the orginal script from a USA doctor accompaning the package...stats..1 in 100 people are stopped and checked...I told her I was bring ing in vet meds and needed to know procedure...she explained all...she even said if its not that much ...but it your bags chances are you wont get stopped and if you do they would call FDA and decide to confiscate or pass you...true...


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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 04:52 PM

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I do agree with you on the importation aspects. But the way the laws work are this.

Federal laws govern the country as a whole and cannot interfere with individual states rights. I believe this falls under the 10th amendment.

Now States can enact laws that are stricter than Federal laws, but not less restrictive. Such as the case is in Kansas and Texas. Both these states have laws requiring all prescription medicine must have a script from a US doctor.


So, all I am saying is, if you do get into the country legally, it may be illegal for you to be in the particular state or locality you entered into or will travel to. If you are not a US citizen then you can have your meds as long as you have script from a doctor.

It is like I am allowed to carry a gun in AZ, but go to CA and I am breaking the law. The Federal (constitution) says it is legal for me to carry it, but the State has deemed it to be illegal within its borders.

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posted August 19, 2000 04:54 PM

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got you..drop me aline chesty...lets chat


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chestyII

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posted August 19, 2000 05:52 PM

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bump for more to see

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Vitaman

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posted August 20, 2000 07:02 AM

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Good post. I always like to see what customs does and why they can do it.

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komododragon

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posted August 20, 2000 08:10 AM

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The supremecy clause in the body of the Constitution provides that federal law prempts State law. A state law cannot directly contradict a federal law. You have to read the federal law in question to know whether a state law modification is in contradiction. Some state laws can add further restrictions or even lessen resitrictions of federal law, all depending on how the federal law was written. In the case of federal law for the imporation of drugs with a prescription for 3 months personal use, well that is a right the federal government has granted all citizens and the states are not at liberty to further restrict that right.
As far as the loss of the 4th amend rigths to freedom from search and seizure. The Supreme Court has ruled that when a citizen is not in the United States the 4th amendment does not apply to the person and the person's property when both are outside the US, and that the boarder crossing far all purposes is still outside of the juridictional territory of the United States, therefor the 4th doesn't apply.

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thefantom1

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posted August 20, 2000 08:57 AM

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The 4th amendment doesn't apply at the border??? What about if you fly in from a foriegn country such as Mexico to say O'hare airport in chicgao?? Now would customs have to have probably cause???

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komododragon

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posted August 20, 2000 09:57 AM

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No it doesn't, and don't try to get me to explain the Supreme Court's reasoning, but in essence, the Court reasoned that a custom's check point at an airport is a "border crossing".


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MEDIC

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posted August 20, 2000 10:32 AM

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Hey
Just to add a little,
I work at an airport as a medic and work along side the customs agents every tour and without giving myself up to much(becuse they know I work out and shit ) I try to pick their brains of what types of people they are looking for and what they look for. For the most part they are looking for drug mules(those who carry/swallow drugs such as Herion/coc/meth/money etc) and 70% of there bust of these mules come from informents-The rest are on how they present themselves to the agents while getting cleared. They look for the rapids heartbeat of nervous people, stories that dont jive, tickets paid in cash, excessive trips and nobody waiting to pick these guys up. Let me tell u the list of what they look for is extensive. In regards to Steroids they say they look for, but usally some only get cuaght by the odds or informents. Meaning, by that, who the hell is going to swallow a 20ml bottle of Nor200- I DONT THINK SO- so it would probally be in a random search of your bags or person. So if u a gambling man u will probally win, for many of the bags they say do not get looked at.
Also asked just this morning about all those customs letters I hear everyone talking about, The agent stated with confidence that if the letter states that u have to call, and u are not using a fake name CALL, let them explain to u why u got the letter and then explain u do bodybuild and they are for personal cycle use. They will most likely after that Flag your address and Name but no actions will be taken. Basically it a slap on the wrist telling u not to do it again.
I talk to them often, and have a good relationship with them so I guess if there are any qiestions out ther that need addressed(within reason please-I dont think I could ask them to let u slipp though customes with 100,000 worth of gear-wow what a tought) But questions u may have drop me an email or get in touch on the and I will try to help.

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posted August 21, 2000 05:06 AM

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posted August 21, 2000 05:57 AM

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It won`t be easy Vovan. Hehehe


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posted August 21, 2000 05:58 AM

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It won`t be easy Vovan. Hehehe


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I have offered this information before but here we go again...everybody keeps referring to a 90 day supply rule, there is no such thing. Go to the FDA website under the portion dealing with personal importation it says you may bring in 50 dose units. But keep in mind this is not a legally established right, it is a bending of the rules by the FDA. They do not have the legal authority to make this exception...it isnt debated though b/c of the pressures generated by AIDS activist groups. A prescription written by a foreign doc is not a valid script in the US. Further no drugs that were produced in the US and then exported can be brought back into the US. So in the strcitest leagl terms this means there isnt a whole lot you can bring into the country. Yes I know we get away with it, but the point is dont assume that it your right b/c you get away with it...if they want to enforce it [which for the most part, customs agents dont want to] they can. And as others have stated you rights to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures [4th amendment] are nill at an international border...this is not just limited to land borders, but also includes international airports.
AnimalB, I do not doubt what you are saying you were told by your contact at Customs, but lets not let ignorance get you into trouble...."she told me so" is not a valid excuse in a court of law.
ChestII, besides pot, coke and heroin, customs dogs can sniff for extasy and bulk cash.


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posted August 21, 2000 10:45 AM

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States rights come from the 14th amendment.


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posted August 21, 2000 10:58 AM

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i just wanted to add to this, there is a high rate of suces the only time they will seize if the adres was tipped off or so on, and i also noticed some countries attach a green slip they fill out, its a content slip, my guy always puts on it glass so when us customs read it they just pass it through


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posted August 21, 2000 11:28 AM

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chestyII

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posted August 21, 2000 12:43 PM

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I would like to say something again, a Federal law places certain restrictions on an individual. The states may place further restrictions on that individual if they want, but may not give that individual less restrictions than Federal law.

As for the script thing, I have put people in jail for not having a valid script from a US Doctor. The state laws of Kansas and most other states require this. If you doubt me take a 3 month perscription of Valium to Texas, with a script from a licensed Mexican doctor, walk into a police station and ask them if you are breaking the law. If your lucky, they will take your stuff and throw you out. More than likely, with a 3 month supply, whatever number that may be, you will be arrested possession of a controlled substance with the intent to sell and possession of a controlled substance without a valid US script. If that police station is within 1000 feet of a school, you are really hosed.

Again, it is just like the Federal Gun Laws. The Feds say that you may own a gun, pistol, rifle, ar-15, whatever, but the states can restrict that. They can tell you that you may not own a gun at all period! Look at some of the cities in this country they have done just that.

It maybe the 14th amendment. I am going to find a copy and post it in this thread.

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posted August 21, 2000 12:47 PM

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what if you have a license to distribute medication to other licensed people or companies, can you still arest people??


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chestyII

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posted August 21, 2000 12:54 PM

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They always use a rule of thumb. If it smells bad it must be bad. Worst case, you get arrested, the case goes before the detectives and they research it to determine if it is prosecutable. More than likely, a street cop would call a narc or Dea and ask them directly for advice. Usually, though, if a records check revealed no warrants and such, you would be sent on your way.

It also depends on what you have.

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chestyII

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posted August 21, 2000 01:14 PM

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It is the 1oth amendment that deals with the States powers as I stated originally. The fourteenth amendment deals with citizenship.

Here is a copy of the 10th amendment:

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.

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I don't know where homes gets his info but Chesty is right. You can get up to a 90 day supply of medication, cross into the US, declare it through customs and then you must hide it from the state police on the other side. Texas does not recognize a Mexican prescription! It must be a valid US script.

A group of us went down to Mexico to get valiums and juice. The doctor that gave us the valiums told us to declare the valums at the border. But he said not to declare the deca, to hide it. A girl that went with us was taking paxil. The doctor told her that since the med was in its original bottle w/ scrip on it she would be fine.
Sure enough, she told them at the border that she had a US script for the paxil and we declared our valium. The customs agent warned us not to get caught with those valiums by the state police. They said Texas didn't recognize a Mexican script. So we went in the bathroom and stuffed it in our shoes and socks and down our pants legs.

You wanna know what pissed me off???
You can go to Mexico and buy alcohol real cheap because its duty free. Then when you come back to the US, customs makes you pay taxes on it!
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