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 AHHHH. I don't get it
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 74 |
I am so pissed. Today when i was working out there were a few kids there that are about 16(I'm 18). They were much smaller then me, yet they lifted close to what weight i do. I was squatting 315 doing 10 reps. This Kid comes over and does it 12 times, and he's a toothpick compared to me. Also i rep 185 8 times on bench. They came in and did 175 8 times. This fucking pisses me off. And a few of my friends are just a little bit bigger than me and they do 6 reps of 225. I am getting left behind on my rugby team. So i started a d-bol/sustenon cycle. I'm 5"8 170, 9% body fat. Been training since i was 13 with time off due to injuries. Is it possible for me to jump from 8 reps of 185 on bench to 8 reps of 220?That's my goal, i must hit it. I wanna weigh about 200 lbs at the end of my cycle as well. Also, i can never max out... I should be able to do at least 255 all i can't even get 225 and i rep 185 8 times. I dont fucking get it. Please let me know if my gains are possible.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 843 |
Depends on the cycle, your diet, how much rest you get, and many other factors. But yes, it is possible. Peace...Mav | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1089 |
Listen Boxer it is my opinion that you must go heavy inorder to stress the muscle fibers to grow or get stronger so when you say you cant max out does that mean you wont??? But as for your cycle depeding on qauntity and duration of your cycle you can definately put that on and reach you goal ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
I have a kick ass diet, at least 4,000 calories a day. I train as hard as i can. My routine is good from what i know. Every body part twice a week, except legs once. 3-4 exercises per muscle group.Usually i do 8-6-4-2 or something arounf that. I work to failure. In the gym for 40min-1hour 15 min. Taking 750mg of sust for first month, last 6 weeks taking 500mg. 40mg of d-bol for 5 weeks. I get around 6-7 hours of sleep during the week. I hope that gave you as many stats as you need to know. My heart is set on putting 35 lbs repping on my bench. and 30 lbs of muscle. I'd like to pick up a bitmore on my bench though | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 610 |
Bingo Boy, if your truely working the muscle to positive failure, what in the HELL are you doing training them twice a week? Shit, even 18 yearolds can over train. Thats precisly what your doing. Second, with respect to strength relative to body size. SHIT HAPPENS, I got a brother in my gym weighs 153lbs. 27 years old, his bench press routine will incoorporate 375 for 8 repitions. Simply put his a freak, some of my workout partners in my age group lack my muscle mass, but are stronger. This doesnt mean your an inferior athlete, or that you need to do more. Being pressure to run gear at 18 with a "keep up with the jones" mentality might only lead you to more dissapointments in the future. Brother, wait until you get some irritating natural freak of nature and he directs his anti-steroid propiganda your way and to others, about how you needed to juice in order to keep up. The way your approaching this issue, comments like that are gonna happen and when they do Ill bet my bottom doller it will enrage the piss out of you. I truely think your overtraining, knock that shit down to once a week, training to positive failure. In conjunction with this added rest time your strength should improve splendidly! ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 133 |
it's funny how the younger ones on this board are usually obsessed with the amount of weight they can lift for their age, size, height. rarely, if ever, do i find a member over 23 referring to what they can lift, but rather how they look and what they weigh. maybe it's a maturity issue, i know i stopped worrying about the weight i was able to lift a few years ago ... just an observation, not flaming anyone  ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 843 |
Yep, you just said that you are training right and then you go on to say you train each bodypart twice a week?? Maybe you need to rethink that response bro. Training every bodypart twice a week will lead to overtraining and you wil never hit 220. Peace...Mav | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 843 |
I agree Pharm animal. I like getting stronger but when it comes down to it it is all about the looks. Peace...Mav | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 133 |
quote: mav... if you look like you can squat 500, you should be able to squat 500! as long as your strength matches your looks, it's all good...guess i'd better start benching heavy again! j/k, i'm fat and small! LOL! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 31 |
At 18 let yoru body grow naturally ... I dont think I would have started the Gear this soon.. But at least you will have not only your own natural body growing .. but you will have the Gear workign for you also... But no on ehas studied the long term effects .. from different age groups and at what age they began juicing.... ------------------ -Train hard or get the fuck out... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 931 |
It took me 17 years to get a 405 bench. I curled 225, and I can barely squat 405 while these toothpicks do it all day long. I point out the curl weight because I always curled heavy and it almost ended my career. Going heavy just because someone else is is not right. Max out to failure for you wether that is a 315 squate or 600 squat. Train smart to stay in the game for the long run. ps Give it time, it will come. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
If you want the poundages to go up, you might want to consider some powerlifting type strategies. Having not seen you bench, I can not tell how explosive you are. Do you...uh..uh liffftt the weight, or does it ExPlOdE upwards? What I usually recommend to people that have a hard time launching the weight, is to do some cleans, and/or snatches, to train the explosive mind/muscle link. Granted, this is not the powerlifting board, but we are all lifters. I achieved a 445 bench and 625 squatt after 4.5 years of natural lifting, benching only once a week, and squatting every 7 to 10 days. It can be done Bro, if you want it. Email me, and I will hook you up with some good lifting strategy to consider. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
You guys don't get it. I play rugby, and i am being recruited from colleges. I am not a bodybuilder, how bad ass i look means nothing. I need to be strong to keep up. Thats why i am worrying about strength. Plus, my country club is holding a bench press competition with a grand prize of 10,000 bucks for each of the 3 weight classes. This is my insentive to get stronger boys. Please don't lecture me or flame me for wanting to get stronger, that's my game. Just please help with my questions. Also, on the topic of over training. When i train each body part once a week, i don't feel like i am doing them justice. Everyone else on my team has the same routine. I am confused about it. Should i work it only once a week, will i be wasting my cycle training just once a week for each bodypart? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 133 |
chesty.. holy shit! tell us when you go pro! seriously though...that's awesome, i have much respect for you! you've come a long ways, and can appreciate your own gains much better than one of those genetic freaks who grow huge in one summer...shows that you're dedicated and hard working ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Boxer I've been training 3 bodyparts a day twice a week since I was 14. bro you gotta sleep all the time, I packed on soo much size right around 18. I used to eat high calorie foods and sleep all the time. eat big meals right before you go to bed. you might not be over training you just might not be eating enough. stick with maybe three to four exercises per body part 3 sets each. I still do this ruotine now even though I'll probably get flammed for it but my body is used to it. I was always bigger and stronger than all of my friends and guess what I still am! I have the shape of a football player for so long now and just recently got into AS. YES it was time to take it to the next level. Now it's like a CIRCUS SIDE SHOW when I go to the gym. If I was you I would stop fucking with the shit and wait till your about 23, no bullshit!! Just start eating everthing in sight | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
Powerlifting bro..eamil me and I'll hook you up on some good ways to get stronger. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 610 |
Sorry, wouldnt assume a highschool prospect recruited for college play would be in a situation where so many others are out preforming him. Train once per week, your still over training! Testosteron would be your best bet, the adrogenic properties would suit you best for consistant strength increase. Orals like dianaball or anadrol which promote significant water retention will also aid you in your endeavors. Good luck [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited August 18, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
What's with all the flaming about me? I don't want people to out perform me. If i am stronger and faster, i will fare better. Why do you post if you aren't going to help me. Save your time bros. I need help. I want to maximize my gains. The only way i can do that is if you guys really help me out | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 174 |
try periodization techniques. john | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 843 |
Boxer, what the fuck is the matter with you? Overtraining will lead to no muscle gains or strength gains. Me and Twisted Steel have repeatedly told you that you are overtraining and you say we are flaming you? Dude, we are trying to help you by telling you what the hell you are doing wrong. The whole thing about strength was just something that Pharm Animal brought up and I agreed. Neither one of us were flaming you it was just something that Pharm Animal noticed and pointed out. And BTW, Pharm Animal, I agree with you and then you turn around and contradict me? Thanks man, next time I'll just disagree with ya'. I agree that if you look like you can squat 500 you better be able to. I was just agreeing with you about the fact that as you get older you do care less about strength and more about the way you look and the way you are proportioned. Thanks again, Pharm Animal! I'll remember this. Peace...Mav | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1445 |
Boxer, I understand what your saying about younger smaller guys coming in the gym lifting what you do or actually being stronger. Its happened to me before bro, and let me fill you in on a secret here...GENETICS! Yes, that dreaded scourge that mother nature set within us to live with. Most people dont realize that just a 1/4" difference between where the muscle is attatched the skeleton say around the pecs can make a 50lbs lift difference. For example I personally dont have the greatest chest formation. Yeah my pecs look good..but my chest isnt as strong as I would want it. It took me almost 5 years to get over 300lbs benching. But I have these high school dudes that come in from the football team smaller than me that lift a bit more...so what?? As long as I can lift I can improve, and being the proud man I am, I hate to be "outlifted". My belief being, that is not the weight itself but the intensity. And as far as Im concerned no one can match me on that, at least in my gym.. My .02 ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
WCP, Amen brother! Its not until I realized this a year ago that I really started making gains. -moondog | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
Thanks for your guys help. I am starting to understand. I don't know what to do about over training though... I've progressed a whole lot with this split. And i've put on almost 10 lbs for repping on my bench press, and 9 lbs of weight without too much bloating in a little under 2 weeks. I am getting good gains. Should i change what i am doing? I just wanna know if i can get the 30 lbs of mass and the 35 lbs on my rep bench. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 349 |
HEY BRO YOU GOTTA LIFT TO TOTAL FAILURE TO REALLY WORK THE MUSCLES.... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 610 |
Dude, are you in need of psychotropic drugs? Not you, but this thread is starting to irritate me, I will no longer coddle you. Your coming to us moaning like injured mule about your plateau. MAVERICK, MYSELF, AND WCP give you the advice you need. Then you contradict our help by ending the thread, with your wonderful gains on this split, yada,yada,yada. Your problem is you just know enough to be dangerous, and not enough to progress you past that. You hit a plateau, plain and simple. RESTRUCTURE your training regimin! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited August 19, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 253 |
Try periodization or powerlifting techniques too. Strength is a neurological adaptation. In my natural days, I weighed 150 at 5'9" and could bench 225 with a pause for 8 reps, deadlift 405, and dead-hang pull up a 265 total. The guys who out-weighed me by 40+ never understood why I was stronger than them. Today I am 25 lbs heavier via gear at 6% bf but I am only slightly stronger. So don't expect strength miracles unless you read up on your powerlifting techniques....expect to put alot of time into learning these techniques. They are not simple by any means. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 512 |
TRAIN EACH BODY PART ONLY ONCE PER WEEK. |
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posted August 18, 2000 07:38 PM