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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 573 |
posted August 17, 2000 11:40 PM
   
For the love of God, Gym, and his chemically enhanced people who populate them. Someone please point me to some current endocronological research where the tapering of HORMONES IS ADVOCATED to avoid this retarded concept of a "CRASH"! Where did this concept origonate? Those of you who advocate cycles where sustanon use is decreased by as much as 75% please explain to me why would willingly do this? Im sure I am viewed as midly abbrassive in my comments, views, and advice. I appear so because quite frankly I have been fortunate to gleen a great deal of information from some damn impressive human beings. Bodybuilders and physicians alike all of which are involved in bodybuilding. Once exogenous testosteron has been administered, basic fundamental physiological reaction occur. IT doesnt fucking matter if the dose is 200mg to 1G, the testies cease to produce endogenous testosterone. THATS IT, that being the case, and knowing full well that the only source of testosterone is coming from administered weekly injections. Knowing the bodys need for equilibrium and STASIS. Why would you intentionally alter the chemical environment in the body with these tapers, and B. unless you dont have the money to run consistant high lvl doses, why the hell would you want to short change the potential of the cycle with a 75% end taper????? Anyone with a background in biological chemistry or those who have researched Hormone use past the point of "Uhh, how much will my bench go up on this shit" will agree with this point. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited August 18, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Jim Layhoe Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 652 |
posted August 17, 2000 11:48 PM
Well i am going to give a common point of view, once you raise your test. you raise your estrogen aswell, then when you stop without tapering your estrogen along with whatever is still elevated, tapering would "ideally" prevent a drastic crash. DO I BELIEVE THIS POINT OF VIEW? YES AND NO I Think that you have to listen to your body and your body alone. IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator Posts: 675 |
posted August 17, 2000 11:50 PM
OK, you say that you got your information from some impressive human beings, well, it just so happens to be that I could be considered one of them. I've been using for over 11 years. I've found that tapering works better for me and I don't need a doctor who takes gear to tell me that, or not tell me that. I can't stand it when someone gets an idea or hears something that sounds good to them and then try to convince others to believe what he does by qualifying his convictions by saying "impressive human beings and doctors"...who cares. Ask one of those juice doctors to publish any of there studies saying that tapering gear doesn't work and then I'll believe you. But then again, I can guarentee you that no studies on such a thing have been done. So, I must preach from my own experience and say, I LIKE TO TAPER MY GEAR. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Pharm Animal Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 114 |
posted August 18, 2000 12:07 AM
i am a believer in short cycles, starting high dose, and ending high dose...i feel that it makes for more growth in less overall time "under the needle", so to speak JUST MY OPINION!!! LOL ------------------ IP: Logged |
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THE APE Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: |
posted August 18, 2000 03:43 AM
Nice little point-counterpoint there fellas...I love it! IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 573 |
posted August 18, 2000 09:37 AM
My family is from Havana Cuba, go figure its a small world. Anyway, Cuban your response is patronizing and a bit sarcastic, I expected a bit more. The fact of the matter is that tapering is an antiquated idea, its illsuited for the maximization of gains. The increase in endogenous estrogen as a result of testosterone once stimulated does not FULCUTUATE to match the serum TE ratio in the blood. Your taper technique doesnt affect estorgen levels relative to the amount injected. Once estrogen lvls increase past normal, wheter it be from 700mg or 250mg undesired sides can occur. Thus, the user should have on supply his second best friend, ARIMIDEX. The phrase "I dont need no stinkin dr. to tell me how to shoot up" seems self-defeating. Hormone replacement is Hormone replacement, whether proscribed by physician or administered by the athlete. Neither of them with a ready concept of how hormones affect the body, will advocate Hormone lvl fluctuation. How about we all start tapering our GH injections, no wait I will go tell my mothers physician to start "tapering" her estorgen replacement. :) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ulter Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 415 |
posted August 18, 2000 10:01 AM
TS I am not the chemist that most guys on this board seem to be. So bear with me. I have been tapering 17 years. And yes it is because someone told me to and to be quite honest in my less affluent days it made my gear last longer so I was all for it. When I have stopped cold turkey for whatever reason my body did not take kindly to it though and my recovery was considerably longer. I have to take exception with your characterization that this practice as antiquated. I would call it tried and true. Since tapering is part of every cycle I have seen posted anywhere right up to the Quadzilla post on this board at what point did it become antiquated? IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 573 |
posted August 18, 2000 10:08 AM
point taken. thank you ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 941 |
posted August 18, 2000 10:16 AM
Your on a roll lately bro, dispelling some things most of us have been taught and learned to apply through the years. As afr as the tapering issue goes, i agree with not tapering some A.S., however some do need to be tapered in my opinion, and I say this based on personal experience. As far as the protein thing goes, from what I have read, NONE, of the pros exist on 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, looks to me like they are doing something right. This is not meant to be a flame, rather an opinion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator Posts: 675 |
posted August 18, 2000 10:34 AM
Whoa! Twisted steel you said my response was patronizing and sarcastic. Did you read your own original post. Although you were stating your opinion with support, the way you wrote it made you come off as an asshole, so in that respect, my reply was tame. I mean you were giving people an attitude and suggesting that those who taper are idiots. I know those aren't your exact words but that's the way your post comes off. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ulter Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 415 |
posted August 18, 2000 10:59 AM
el cubano, In TS's defense he didn't say idiots he said retarded.  Come on this is a great thread you guys please don't turn it into a pissing contest. IP: Logged |
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