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 E2 put me on it, but I'd like to hear from all
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 60 |
Guys, I am starting a Sust/D-Bol cycle that E2 reccomended for me in a couple of days. It runs like this: 750***6/day 750***6/day 500***5/day 500***4/day 500***3/day 500***3/day 500*** 250*** Clomid EOD throughout with one week of 2/day and one week of 1/day at the end of the last week of sust. The question is, what supplements and vitamins do you reccomend during this cycle to maximize gains/cut side-effects. Before someone says it, I already have a virtually unlimited supply of the best supplement on earth:WATER! I know that E2 is a Glutamine fan, as well as many of you others. I like it pretty well, myself. What else should I be using? Q ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 248 |
I've probably said this 5 times now on various posts, but don't taper the d-bol. The test will be in full effect and will take over where the d-bol left off. Take 6 for 5 weeks or otherwise you are screwing yourself. Think about it.....what good is tapering d-bol if you have so much active test in your system from the sust? The whole point of the taper theory is to bring back your natural levels, but that ain't gonna happen in this cycle until the test is out of your system. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 427 |
Bchem, I think the purpose of the dbol is just to kickstart the cycle and the taper is to drop the water when the test kicks in. But who the fuck am I to argue E2's cycle he can do it without my help. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
BChemist, I haven't started this cycle, yet, so I will have to hear arguments on the "taper theory" before I do. E2, Ranger, Anyone? And before you say it, Luvs2juice, I am NOT going to take valium as a supplement! J/K! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 248 |
I see what you are saying, but by the time you are done with the d-bol, your body will be retaining plenty of water due to all the test that has accummulated in your system due to the long half life of sustanon. Since 30mg is the accepted "optimal" dose, why not use it to the fullest extent possible? The tapering weeks are just garbage time as far as I can tell... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 427 |
Quad, Put 5ccs/wk of b12 in there. I have only mixed it with deca laura and test cyp so I don't know if you can put it in with sust. I've been told it might be painful ask E2. The b12 will really help your muscles chow on the protein and it gives you a nice lift. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 427 |
No B, dbol is the candy that makes the clouds go away. It will make his bar go up easier even if he only takes 1 an hour before he works out at that point. It's not a waste. No No No dbol is never a waste. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 841 |
Everyone has a different opinion on tapering or not tapering dbol. I agree with Bchemist, but who am I to argue with one of E2's cycles? Peace...Mav | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1505 |
This is a mini Insane-O cycle....My thoughts are this... 1. Yes, the dbol is to upstart the cycle. Strength will go up quickly, as will the gains...water weight will happen somewhat. 2. The Enanth. in the Sus takes around 4 weeks to really get rock'in, and the prop is there quick and will add to the dbol. 3. I agree with the tapering....My reason is the rapid reduction in water, and then the added increase in water all over again from the Enanth. Though this is not much, I like everything to go smoothly. As you come off the Dbol, you won't crash so hard...strength may drop slightly, but the test will more than make up for it. 4. Eat like the Sweat God that you are, train like a bitch, sleep with all the skanks ya can, get fucking huge, drive by schools and scare the small children.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 427 |
Oh your going to make a great MOD Ranger. Your a breath of fresh air.. they might sell tickets to this board now. Thanks for taking the job! Now it is all good. [This message has been edited by ulter (edited August 17, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 383 |
cycle is decent bro but kinda flawed. in my opinion the dbols are a waste,theyll just make you hold more water and increase the side effects.i would ditch the dbol as sust is very androgenic in itself its useless. i dont really get that "kick in the cycle theory" this bitch will kick in hard enough. my second problem is here is the tapering there is no need to taper sus just do the 750mg straight the way its tapered isnt going to decrease sides at all but it will hinder gains.a good cycle would be 750mg sust for 8 weeks straight,in my opinion that would be the best way to smack on long lasting mass... good luck with your cycle any ways bro... get fuking huge.... s o u r j e r k | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 966 |
I think you should taper the d-bol but I also agree with Ranger about the test halflife remaining to stop your hpta from kicking in, therefore I think you should keep taking the dbol at a tapered dose (2/day) one week after you stop the sust. then they will both be leaving you system at about the same time. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 861 |
I agree with tapering the d-bol!! Listen to those who know bro!! Not those who think they know!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1061 |
Hey bgriff...How close are you to Kansas City, MO? I might be going out there in November to see my cousins. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 248 |
Where's WCP when I need him? OK, until then I am taking my toys and going home..  | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 40 |
Hey Quadzilla, did you just get back from winning a gold medal at the Junior Olympics in Florida?? If so, drop me an e-mail... ------------------  | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 3742 |
Damn a lot of opinions in this threat, glad to see it!!! Alright, to taper or not to taper??? No need really at these doses, tapering the sust isn't really necessary but is done as i belive this is your first cycle??? Tapering the dbol is important in my eyes, in some cycles i dont' do it, but then there are other drugs working, the dbol is a very powerful drug and going from 6/day to 0/day is a big shock to your body, that's why it's tapered. As well as Ranger said you won't have an immediate drop in water weight. Ulter, 5cc of b12??? that's a lot of b12!!!! Just shoot the sust in your ass and nowhere else, the pain is good for you!! Sour Jerk, i don't really understand your comments at all, the dbol is a waste???WTF!!! The Saint, the hpta will be running right throughout the cycle, with no supression becasue he'll be taking clomid throughout. This is the main reason why you wouldn't need to taper the sust. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 327 |
E2...Why is it you always recomend the high doses of sust per week? I don't understand you reasoning. If your going to have to inject multiple times per week anyway, why inject sust? Sust is considered the premium of test mixes but only because of its ability to self taper and reduce the # of injections. If your really focused on using that much test you could save a shitload of $ by using some cyp instead of the high priced/mg sust. The results will be the same and you just might be able to afford to eat well during the cycle. Just my 2 cents... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 374 |
That cycles screams for Deca, unless you only want to do Sus and D-boll. Dosage looks good (Is this your first cycle?)I personally would never take d-boll more than for 4 weeks until the Sus kicks in.. D-boll makes me bloat up bad which makes my BP go through the roof and kills my stamina. All in all a good bulking/srength cycle.
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Novice 
Posts: 5 |
Eq would make a nice addition, as would deca. Here's my next cycle: Weeks 1-5: Weeks 6-10: And of course clomid throughout and after. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 427 |
Quad, I typed cc's that should be 5mg not cc's. Probably a good thing I don't write prescriptions. HA HA E2 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 927 |
Okay, here is my 3 cents worth. My cycle that just ended went like this: I agree with tapering the dbol, but only during the last week of use. It has a relatively short life span and therefore, I feel it can be tapered more efficiently this way. I don't believe the sust should be tapered as it is really self tapering. But then again, I don't believe in tapering test. If you got some eq or deca or primo that would rule. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 370 |
I really see no need to start 750. I did just a sus cycle at 500. A steroid virgin doesn't need almost a gram of sus a week in his body, especially if he was stacking it with d-bol. Instead of the high dosages of sus, i would go with 500 all the way through with some decca. As a roid virging there is no reason he can't put on 35-40 lbs. in this cycle if he ate the amount of food he could in the cycles span of time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 245 |
I like it bro.....but im biased as i too like good strong androgenic cycles of moderate length. the dosages are good. in my feeble opinion, i would add 300-400mg of eq in there starting wk 4 run it to week 12....tapering down weeks 11 and 12. this would enable you to solidify your gains as well as help build some quality muscle tissue Unity66 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 966 |
I agree E2. I didn't think the sust needed to be tapered only the d-bol. The reason I suggest taking the d-bol for another week is as the sust is self tapering your normal epi-testosterone ratio will be off anyway, even with clomid, so I would take the d-bol for an extra week at a low dose so they end together. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 211 |
hey PUMPIN, actually the biggest benefit of having a four ester blend such as sust is that sides are reduced by a noticable margain, that's why one would opt your sust over cyp ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
i would hit the clomid strong 2wks after last sus shot. just my .o2. heheh oh yeah, taper the sus muscle head !
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
Everyone, Thanks for all of the input, so far. I will be starting tomorrow so that I can get over the "flu" as much as I can before going in to work Monday. That is, if I even get it. I would like to hear everyone's opinion on chestyII's one week taper idea. That is a new one to me, but it seems like it would work. It may fall into the "KISS" philosophy held by BPP, though. Also, I might like to try and add in the EQ, if I can find enough in the search to convince me that it would fit well into this cycle. E2, good memory, bro. It is my first cycle, and the dosages are probably high because of my size as well as E2 being "Captain Insane-o". As of 4 a.m. this morning I was 6'6", 243 at 9%bf. Thanks for the replies, keep 'em coming! Q ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 457 |
I can see another reason for tapering the dbol - somewhat along the lines of Rangers'. Due to the longer acting esters in sust, you will be building up testosterone levels as your cycle progresses. Tapering the dbol will allow for a more 'constant' level of androgen in your system. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 601 |
Good luck grow well ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 927 |
Eq should help your appetite, and is similar in action to deca. Yes it works great in a bulking cycle, a few bro's here have just finished a bulking cycle using eq. My next one will be with eq instead of deca. chesty ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 966 |
Chesty, Right on bro. I'm in a cycle right now 1800mgs T200, 600mgs Ultragan, 225mgs Denkadiol and 50mgs/day D-bol. I like the Ultragan better than deca. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1089 |
MY opinion 1 sust is self tapering 2 with a test dbol cycle you dont need to taper when dbol runs out in middle of cycle 3 in your particular cycle you need MORE dbol under 8 tabs a day is a waist of time ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 602 |
e2 knows his shit bro, so go for it and let us know how it turns out, all looks good to me also, only I would use more D for myself. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1138 |
Drop a bit of T3 in there will help keep the bloat down and increase protein uptake. Very inexpensive and it's the next best supplement every cycle should have - right up there with clomid. Just something to concider ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
Thanks a lot, guys. I may put this off for a few more days and ponder these responses a bit. You have all given me something to think about. I will let you all know when I start and do the weekly update thing for all of you who may be interested. Q ------------------ |
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posted August 17, 2000 10:32 PM