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Twisted_Steel
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From: South Carolina
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posted August 17, 2000 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel   Click Here to Email Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post is an excerpt taken from a previous response to diet. I would like to share it, and invite any and all comments and perspectives on it.

The myth that an athlete need to up his protein to compensate for a lack of carbohydrates "because carbs=fat" is a bullfaced myth.
You need complex carbs, and they best not fall below a certain relative state, other wise all that newly earned muscle mass will be exposed to a highly catabolic environment.
The fact of the matter is, those persons consuming ridiculous amounts of protein, 1/2 to twice their body weight on a per gram bases are only fucking up their gastral intestinal tract, and looking for a colostomy.
The body even on steroids which increase the rate of protein synthesis need no more than 1g of protein per lb of body weight. This plan along with a comperable amounts of properly spaced comlex carbs and fats, along with basic cardio and thermogenic supplementation will yield the desired loss in adipos tissue all the while maintaing newly aquired muscle mass.
Good fuckin day.

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Krusher
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posted August 17, 2000 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krusher   Click Here to Email Krusher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good fuckin post! I've taken tonnes of protein in the past but now I take less and haven't seen a difference. 1g/lb is plenty and there is no cheap way to get 400g of protein every day.

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Pharm Animal
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posted August 17, 2000 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pharm Animal   Click Here to Email Pharm Animal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
krusher...
there are ways to get protein for reasonable prices...you just need to shop around....i knew a farm fresh market in california that had fresh chicken breast, skinless/boneless, for $2.28/lb....and i was getting eggs for $.99/dozen....good deals when you're in cali!!!

still, it IS a challenge to keep my weekly groceries under $50!!! i like the expensive shit too

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Bchemist
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posted August 17, 2000 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bchemist   Click Here to Email Bchemist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right on bro. I have been lifting for 10 years now and I have done my share of self experimentation as far as nutrition goes. I've done the high protein, moderate protein, cycled protein, etc, and have seen no significant difference. I whole heartedly agree with the maximum of 1g/lb of bodyweight. I also completely believe that we have been brainwashed by the supplement industry that controls the bodybuilding rags. Ever notice that protein "requirements" go up all the time? It's in their best interest to preach protein to make a profit. Our bodies are incredibly efficient when it comes to growth and repair. As long as you have the calories from complex carbs in addition to a moderate amount of protein, your body can synthesize extra protein from the carbs. Read the metabolism sections of the average biochemistry text and you will see. I used to buy into all the marketing bullshit too. I reluctantly accepted what was right in front of me in the books because, after all, it is hard to admit that you were wrong and/or misled for so many years. The only purpose a higher protein diet serves is during low-carb diets.

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ulter
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posted August 17, 2000 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ulter   Click Here to Email ulter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a vegetarian so I use soy protein and it costs me $7/day for 192gm/day. I've twice doubled it in my life and found it made no difference so I stopped.
As far as my GI trac goes I don't think I took the 400gms long enough to do any damage, the longest was 12 weeks. But I can tell you that the soy protein seems to clear out pretty easily.

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Pharm Animal
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posted August 17, 2000 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pharm Animal   Click Here to Email Pharm Animal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's a good point to ponder, bchemist...

i think i'd better go dust off my college biochem book...it's been on the shelf for WAY too long! i wanna research this high protein myth for myself, for once and for all

the anecdotal evidence is too conflicting to say what amount of protein you really need...everyone has a different opinion!!!

just when you thought ya knew it all!! gotta love this board!

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Maverik
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posted August 17, 2000 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep I have tried eating tons of protien but have never seen much difference between 1 gram per pound and 2 or 3 grams per pound. Glad to hear other people agree. I thought I was the only one. Peace...Mav

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el cubano
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posted August 17, 2000 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, certain people might not like what I'm about to say, but I don't use protein powder. I sometimes drink Super Gainer's fuel after a workout, but otherwise that's it. I eat alot of food!

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Pharm Animal
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posted August 17, 2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pharm Animal   Click Here to Email Pharm Animal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
el cubano...
i for one feel that food is actually superior to powders....maybe technology still isn't advanced enough to totally mimick the full functionality of foods yet

however...we can all agree that powders are quite convenient!

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Beezers
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posted August 17, 2000 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beezers   Click Here to Email Beezers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I prefer real food too. One shake a day is enough to fill my gaps. It's more satisfying to ingest solid food products. Helps mentaly.

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the truth
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posted August 17, 2000 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the truth   Click Here to Email the truth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. I think the ultra high protein diets advocated for BB'ers are mostly marketing ploys.

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bigpun
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posted August 17, 2000 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigpun   Click Here to Email bigpun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thaankk youu twisted steel!!! I just saved a shitload of money. It seems that whenever I try to jack my protein intake to at least 1g/lb. of bodyweight, I release more gas than a farm full of cows and am stuck on the can for half the day.

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Pup'nIrn
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posted August 18, 2000 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pup'nIrn   Click Here to Email Pup'nIrn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree bro!!! I have done a few experiments with it in my time and found the same. The truth is I found it easy to drop water fast but slower to lose fat on the higher protein diets. The high protein diets slow digestion and movement of waste products and that is crutial in a diet phase. I now use a moderate protein diet with high fiber veggies as my carb source to diet down. I used this form of diet this year and it gave me more energy and better mental state to deal with things. I remained stronger and more likely not to midnight splurge in the frig!

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"Milk is for Babies...Beer is for men" Arnold

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