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LEGEND
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posted August 17, 2000 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEGEND     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can anyone tell me about the anabolic diet and how do i get more info on it?

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Maverik
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posted August 17, 2000 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go back to the home page and click on News/Articles. Then go to the part about ketogenic diet. The diet they are referring to is the same as the anabolic diet.. Peace...Mav

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LEGEND
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posted August 17, 2000 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEGEND     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you da man mav.!!!

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BigTruck
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posted August 17, 2000 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_69eat.html
http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_71eat.html

I gave this one a try and it kicked ass for me (I did slightly adjust the carbs up though, 40 a day was killing me)!

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Maverik
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posted August 17, 2000 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gotta warn you though. I tried it for a month and quit. It is a very hard diet to follow. Your food choices are very limited. Good luck if you try it! Peace...Mav

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CLEMDOG
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posted August 17, 2000 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CLEMDOG   Click Here to Email CLEMDOG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That diet sounds great. I think I will give it a try. Did you have any problems BigTruck while doing it? Did you sit down and outline how you would specifically do it? Like plan a day of meals and stick to it everyday, while ajusting calories accordingly in the different phases? How time consuming is it, I'm a college student, without a whole lot of extra time to spare.

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Lthrnk
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posted August 17, 2000 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lthrnk   Click Here to Email Lthrnk     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 84861003   Reply w/Quote
Ive been on it for 5 yrs now and I have went from 350+ with a 51" waist very fat to 187 31" waist for my first show and it took 18mths now that I have found what works best for me I have been competing for a few years and just took 3 for the New England at 225lbs 4%bf hey try it it cant hurt much lol but it is very hard

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el ass-o wipe-o
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posted August 17, 2000 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for el ass-o wipe-o   Click Here to Email el ass-o wipe-o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the no carb thing isnt that great. just get your fat real high using mct oil. use 2 tbls or 3 in every meal. that'll give u more than 1200 extra calories and an extra 140-160g of fat that your body wont store as body fat, unless youre a lazy bastard and dont do anything. i'm 5'8 188. my calories r about 4500 from food + 1200 from mct. my strength just keeps going up and up and my fat in going down. i've put on about 3 pounds in the past month. oh and my protein is 400, carbs 650 and dietary fat about 70. this works well for me. give it a try.

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BigTruck
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posted August 17, 2000 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clemdog - No, I didn't really have any problems on it -- I didn't even need the fiber supplement. The first week was a real drag though -- took a little while to get used to it.

Initially it did take up a little bit of time in meal planning, but once I had specific meals mapped I could swap them around to fit my goals.

I did find over time that 40 carbs for me was too low. I just couldn't handle it on a prolonged basis -- I adjusted up to 60 - 100 grams of carbs per day and it didn't seem to effect my progress. I had great results with the diet. I plan to go on it again pretty quick and still follow the general principles of high-fat, high-protein, moderate to low carbs. (although I "cheat" whenever I want to while I'm not on the diet)

E-mail me and I can send you some of the info I put together for it. Later.

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bgriff
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posted August 18, 2000 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bgriff   Click Here to Email bgriff     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 58153208   Reply w/Quote
Very hard!! Insulin can help !!

Search for using insulin to go in to ketogenic shock quick!! This article will help!!

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bud
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posted August 18, 2000 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bud   Click Here to Email bud     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 20896051   Reply w/Quote
Well I've been on the anabolic diet for little over a month now, lost 10 pounds of fat and keep most of my little muscle, not easy at the beginning but you get used to it, I go low carbs (25-30 grams/day), you don't always have to eat, when your hungry only, based food; eggs(boiled,hardcooked,etc), steak, pork, sausage,ham, water, suger free jell-o, diet coke, etc...look at the interview with Dr Dipasquale on the TESTOSTERONE.COm site + do a search on anabolic diet you'll even get food menus, etc on different sites...the 2 days carb-up where you ca eat anything....pizza, burgers & fries, few beers will be fun you'll see. Personnaly I have a protein drink right after training = protein,water,metamucil 5 grams(fibers), if you want to loose you go for about your body weight x 16 (200 x 16) 3200 calories, then second week drop 500 calories and so on till you loose 2 pounds a week which should be mainly fat, good luck...

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bud
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posted August 18, 2000 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bud   Click Here to Email bud     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 20896051   Reply w/Quote
BTW you should buy a calorie counter (book) and a little scale, will ease the process...

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BigTruck
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posted August 18, 2000 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a nutrition counter:
http://www.ag.uiuc.edu/~food-lab/nat/startnat.cgi

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Tronco
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posted August 18, 2000 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tronco   Click Here to Email Tronco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might also want to read "Bodyopus" by Dan Duchaine...it is not an easy read at all, but its the most informative book on ketogenic diets Ive seen.

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WARLOC
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posted August 18, 2000 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WARLOC   Click Here to Email WARLOC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW, GREAT INFO.
SO HAS EVERYONE THAT HAS DONE THE KETO DIET KEPT WITH THE 5 DAYS NO CARB/2 DAY CARB UP. I HAVE READ THE BODYOPUS BOOK LOTS OF GREAT INFO.

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BigTruck
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posted August 18, 2000 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case you're interested, here's some information I put together for my anabolic (NEAR-ketogenic) diet. It is figured for a 200 pound individual, but the formulas are there so you can adjust it as you need to.

Anabolic Diet

Ratios:

Mon. � Fri. � 60% Fat, 35% Protein, 5% Carbs
Sat. � Sun. � 30% Fat, 10% Protein, 60% Carbs

Supplements:
Multivitamin
Fish Oils (Omega 3s)
Fiber Supplement (Metamucil) (Optional)
Caffeine Tablets

Body Fat Measurement:
Get body fat measured before each phase (using the same measuring device)


Phase I
Maintenance Phase:
(3 � 4 Weeks)

3600 calories per day (18x bodyweight @ 200 lbs.)

Mon. � Fri.:
Fat: 2160 cal. (240 grams)
Protein: 1260 cal. (315 grams)
Carbs: 180 cal. (40 grams)
Sat. � Sun.:
Fat: 1080 cal. (120 grams)
Protein: 360 cal. (90 grams)
Carbs: 2160 cal. (480 grams)


Phase II
Cutting Phase

Notes:
o If below 10% body fat, proceed to bulking phase
o Phase lasts indefinitely (until body fat percentage goal reached, 6% � 8%)
o Start with menu of 2000 calories, same ratios
o Target weight loss is 1.5 lbs. � 2 lbs. per week
o If weight loss exceeds 2 lbs. per week, add 500 cal. per day, per week until target reached
o If target weight loss is not met, delete calories until target reached

Mon. � Fri.:
Fat: 1200 cal. (133 grams)
Protein: 700 cal. (175 grams)
Carbs: 100 cal. (23 grams)
Sat. � Sun.:
Fat: 600 cal. (67 grams)
Protein: 200 cal. (50 grams)
Carbs: 1200 cal. (267 grams)

Phase III
Mass Phase

Notes:
o If at/above 10% body fat, proceed to cutting phase
o Decide target goal weight (ex. @ 200 lbs., may want to get to 215 lbs.)
o Take target goal weight and add 15% (ex. 215 lbs. + 15% = 248
o Consume 20 cal. � 25 cal. per pound of desired bodyweight per day (@ 247 lbs, 4960 cal. � 6200 cal.)
o Target weight gain is about 2 lbs. per week
o Adjust calories accordingly if not meeting or exceeding target weight gain
o Keep eating this way until a) desired body weight reached (247 lbs.) or b) body fat exceeds 10%

Mon. � Fri.:
Fat: 2976/3720 cal. (331/413 grams)
Protein: 1736/2170 cal. (434/543 grams)
Carbs: 248/310 cal. (55/69 grams)
Sat. � Sun.:
Fat: 1488/1860 cal. (165/207 grams)
Protein: 496/620 cal. (124/155 grams)
Carbs: 2976/3720 cal. (661/827 grams)


Sample Menu:

Weekdays

Breakfast
o Four eggs
o Six slices of bacon
o Two ounces of cheese

Lunch
o Hamburger steak
o Cheese
o Sugar-free Jell-O with whipped cream

Snack
o Pepperoni
o String cheese

Post-workout shake
o Two-scoop serving of protein

Dinner
o Sirloin steak or fish (sometimes both)

Snack
o Cheese
o Pistachios


Weekends

Breakfast
o Cereal and nonfat milk or pancakes

Lunch
o Pasta with shrimp
o Breadsticks

Snack
o Fruit or bagels

Dinner
o Pizza
o Beer



Description Calories Fat Protein Carbs
4 oz. regular ground beef, broiled, well done 331 22 31 0
4 oz. regular ground beef, raw 352 30 19 0
4 oz. pork bacon 653 56 35 1
4 oz. beef sausage, smoked 354 31 16 3
2 oz. bratwurst 171 15 8 1
2 oz. beef jerky 192 7 23 8
4 large eggs, hard boiled 310 21 25 2
4 large eggs, scrambled 398 29 27 5
1 oz. pepperoni 141 13 6 1
2 oz. cheddar cheese 229 19 14 1
Cottage cheese, creamed, large or small curd 117 5 14 3

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skg
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posted August 18, 2000 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skg   Click Here to Email skg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just quit the anabolic diet (first day). How can you eat all that fat without wanting to throw up???

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WARLOC
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posted August 18, 2000 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WARLOC   Click Here to Email WARLOC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HEY BIG TRUCK THANX FOR TH INFO IT WILL BE A BIG HELP. IM GOING TO START MONDAY....

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LEGEND
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posted August 18, 2000 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEGEND     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you everybody as always you are all extremely helpful. peace!!!!!

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