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BigTruck Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 286 |
posted August 17, 2000 10:14 AM
My Two-Week Cycle Experiment MY BACKGROUND: Prior to lifting, I weighed about 175 lbs. During the time I have been training naturally, the heaviest I've been is 217 lbs. (with about 17% bodyfat) my average has been about 203 lbs. @ 14%. Prior to starting this cycle, I was 195 lbs. @ 13% bodyfat. I stand 5'11". Over the years I've made good progress. GOALS: My primary concern is health. I know there are other cycles that would add mass a lot faster, but I felt that by keeping it in the two-week range, that I would: a) avoid my natural hormones shutting down, b) avoid increased cortisol levels that result from prolonged cycles, c) be able to add muscle that I could keep, d) be a little safer easier on the system than a prolonged cycle � hit 'em hard and get out, just like the gym! In this same vein, I chose to use only human drugs and narrowed my selection to two specific cycles. Either a deca/winstrol stack or a primo/d-bol stack. I ended up with the latter of the two because that's what my source was able to provide at the time. The benefits of this drug selection in my mind was that d-bol would act as a "kicker" to the cycle and would compliment primo � which is very low androgenic qualities � nicely. The primo would remain active in the system for two or three weeks and naturally taper. I chose to add clomid in to further limit water retention and to act as a safety guard. THE CYCLE: Day ---- Primo ---- D-bol ---- Clomid THE RESULTS: Visually I am much bigger, the muscles are fuller and abs tighter. I have a constant pumped feeling. Water retention is minimal, if any. Strength increases have been minimal but endurance is up. Psychologically, I have been on cloud-nine � I am positive and feel great! Hopefully week two goes as well, I am happy with the added muscle, but would like to see better strength increases. It looks like 6 lbs. � 10 lbs. should be easily achievable on this cycle. Overall, a positive experience. Stay tuned for week two results! [This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited August 17, 2000).] IP: Logged |
Renegade Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 113 |
posted August 17, 2000 10:34 AM
Good Job......Do you think all the Dbol side effects are avoided with 2 week cycles. (hairloss etc....) IP: Logged |
bud Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 7 |
posted August 17, 2000 10:43 AM
Nice way to go, I' m thinking of a similar cycle, I like that kind of gain, keep posting and let us know about your second week and how much you retain + side effects if there is any... IP: Logged |
BigTruck Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 286 |
posted August 17, 2000 10:47 AM
Renegade, Honestly, I don't know. Logic would tell me that it certainly minimizes the potential -- I'll be on it for equal or less time than a lot of guys that stack it in their longer cycles. I'm half-way through and not having any problems yet... (knocks on wood). Seriously though, I don't forsee problems of that nature with this protocol. IP: Logged |
DYLAN Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 422 |
posted August 17, 2000 12:18 PM
I don't want to doubt you, but I would say it would be almost impossible it go from 195 lbs. @ 13% bodyfat to 200 lbs. @ 10.9% bodyfat IN 1 WEEK? You said water retention is minimal. I would guess the 5 lbs you have gained is mostly water weight from the dbol, which isn't a bad thing. The primo won't even have a chance to kick in the way you have it. I don't know, but if it works for you, all the best. D. IP: Logged |
BigTruck Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 286 |
posted August 17, 2000 12:42 PM
Well, it's a 2.1% drop in fat -- if my math is correct that's about 4 lbs. You think it's impossible to lose 4 lbs. in a week? I know naturals that lose 2 or 3 (or more, though they start to suffer muscle loss) without AS. I'll give you that there could be some variance in conditions from bodyfat test to bodyfat test that might skew the numbers, but I would maintain that the above stated numbers are pretty close. Maybe it's only a 1.7% decrease -- whatever, I would hazard to say that, at most, we're talking within half a point. As for water retention, yes, I COULD be holding more than I think I am -- but I know my body pretty well, I think I'm pretty close. It's not a perfect science. Efficiency of the cycle -- this type of cycle and drug selections have been pumped up by Nelson Montana, Bill Roberts, Brock Strasser and a number of others. I believe that Roberts even did at least one case study (although I couldn't find the reference on mesomorphisis). I've got no reason to distort the facts. I'd report it just the same if it was a giant failure. There's no shame in failure, just in not trying. To me, it's just about spreading the knowledge and experience. I know I've benefited quite a bit from others. So far, I'm quite happy with the results of this cycle (although I'd like to see more strength, as I stated above). Time will tell if the overall goals are met. I'll keep you posted. Later. [This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited August 17, 2000).] IP: Logged |
THE APE Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: |
posted August 17, 2000 12:58 PM
I love Bill Roberts theories and I love to hear about the results guys get off those short cycles.The greatest thing of all with that type of cycling is that you really aren't on long enough to disturb your natural hormonal axis to any great degree,therefor you don't have the extende recovery process like on a standard 8-10 week cycle.I very may well experiment with something like that down the road like that myself.Thanks for sharing your experience with us bro. IP: Logged |
CLEMDOG Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 229 |
posted August 17, 2000 05:24 PM
pretty cool man! As for taking the dbol for the 2weeks, regarding whether or not it will cut down on side effects, I definetely think so. Your not taxing your liver for very long and your not keeping a high exogenous androgen in your system for very long. Maybe slight acne breakout at most. The primo just seems like a waste, due to the time it requires to start kicking in and working. If you keep it at 2 weeks I would bump up the dose a little or run it for like 2 more weeks after the dbol is done. Just my thoughts. Enjoy. IP: Logged |
BigTruck Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 286 |
posted August 18, 2000 09:29 AM
In response to the primo comments -- remember the goal of the program is not to add crazy size. It's true that there are more effective ways of cycling if your goal is only to add size. Health w/ 6 - 10 pounds of quality, maintainable muscle is the goal of this program. The rationale behind doing the primo/d-bol this way (which may prove to be incorrect) is that because primo is active for 2 - 3 weeks after the last shot and takes at least a week to kick in, the d-bol kick starts the cycle and about the time your going off the d-bol, the primo is starting to kick in at about 400 mg a week. In effect, your doing a 4-week cycle (2 of d-bol, followed by 2 of primo ((with a little overlap in the middle) -- even though your only taking the drugs for 2 weeks. I don't think 400 mgs of primo a week for a couple weeks is a waste. It is my hope that it will "solidify" gains and maybe add a couple pounds. Time will tell... Thanks, Dylan, Clemdog and others for the excellent observations/comments! IP: Logged |
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