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BigTruck
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posted August 17, 2000 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Two-Week Cycle Experiment

MY BACKGROUND:
I'm 27 and have been lifting naturally for about five years (although I have used all the andro products). I generally train very intensely and heavy in lower rep ranges (8 � 4). I'm also a big believer in efficiency over volume � I always strive to get the maximum benefit from the least possible stimulus. In other words, I make every set count and don't overtrain my muscles on a consistent basis. I stick primarily to multi-joint exercises and round out with isolation exercises where it makes sense. The core of my workouts center around squats, deadlifts, dips, pullups and standing presses. I use a workout split of four days on, three days off, with legs on day 1, chest on day 2, off on day 3, back on day 4, shoulders day 5, day 6 and 7 off, arms on day 1 of the following week. Repeat workout cycle. While on my cycle, I adjusted this to 5 days on, 2 days off, using the same split, less one rest day.

Prior to lifting, I weighed about 175 lbs. During the time I have been training naturally, the heaviest I've been is 217 lbs. (with about 17% bodyfat) my average has been about 203 lbs. @ 14%. Prior to starting this cycle, I was 195 lbs. @ 13% bodyfat. I stand 5'11". Over the years I've made good progress.

GOALS:
I decided that for my first cycle I would try a two-week cycle as advocated by Bill Roberts. I have several reasons for this protocol. My goal with this cycle is not to add a lot of mass, but to add between 6 lbs. � 10 lbs. of quality muscle that I could keep on after the cycle � while keeping water retention to a minimum and perhaps shedding some fat. With this type of protocol, you can do up to nine cycles a year. So even at just six pounds a cycle, the potential exists to add 54 pounds of quality, maintainable muscle over the course of a year.

My primary concern is health. I know there are other cycles that would add mass a lot faster, but I felt that by keeping it in the two-week range, that I would: a) avoid my natural hormones shutting down, b) avoid increased cortisol levels that result from prolonged cycles, c) be able to add muscle that I could keep, d) be a little safer easier on the system than a prolonged cycle � hit 'em hard and get out, just like the gym!

In this same vein, I chose to use only human drugs and narrowed my selection to two specific cycles. Either a deca/winstrol stack or a primo/d-bol stack. I ended up with the latter of the two because that's what my source was able to provide at the time.

The benefits of this drug selection in my mind was that d-bol would act as a "kicker" to the cycle and would compliment primo � which is very low androgenic qualities � nicely. The primo would remain active in the system for two or three weeks and naturally taper. I chose to add clomid in to further limit water retention and to act as a safety guard.

THE CYCLE:
As I mentioned above, the stack is primo/d-bol/clomid. For the cycle, I procured 800 mgs of primo, 500 mgs of d-bol and 600 mgs of clomid. Here's how it looks:

Day ---- Primo ---- D-bol ---- Clomid
1--------200 mg----40 mg ----N/A
2 --------N/A ---------40 mg-----50 mg
3--------N/A-----------35 mg-----N/A
4--------N/A ----------35 mg-----50 mg
5 -------- 200 mg----35 mg-----N/A
6 -------- N/A----------35 mg-----50 mg
7 --------N/A-----------35 mg-----N/A
8-------- N/A-----------35 mg-----50 mg
9 --------200 mg----35 mg-----N/A
10-------- N/A----------35 mg-----50 mg
11--------N/A----------35 mg-----N/A
12 -------- N/A---------35 mg-----50 mg
13 --------200 mg----35 mg-----N/A
14 -------- N/A----------35 mg-----50 mg
15-19-----N/A----------N/A---------50 mg

THE RESULTS:
After one week, I have gone from 195 lbs. @ 13% bodyfat to 200 lbs. @ 10.9% bodyfat.

Visually I am much bigger, the muscles are fuller and abs tighter. I have a constant pumped feeling. Water retention is minimal, if any. Strength increases have been minimal but endurance is up. Psychologically, I have been on cloud-nine � I am positive and feel great! Hopefully week two goes as well, I am happy with the added muscle, but would like to see better strength increases. It looks like 6 lbs. � 10 lbs. should be easily achievable on this cycle. Overall, a positive experience.

Stay tuned for week two results!

[This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited August 17, 2000).]

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Renegade
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posted August 17, 2000 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Renegade   Click Here to Email Renegade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Job......Do you think all the Dbol side effects are avoided with 2 week cycles. (hairloss etc....)

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bud
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posted August 17, 2000 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bud   Click Here to Email bud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice way to go, I' m thinking of a similar cycle, I like that kind of gain, keep posting and let us know about your second week and how much you retain + side effects if there is any...

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BigTruck
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posted August 17, 2000 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Renegade, Honestly, I don't know. Logic would tell me that it certainly minimizes the potential -- I'll be on it for equal or less time than a lot of guys that stack it in their longer cycles.

I'm half-way through and not having any problems yet... (knocks on wood). Seriously though, I don't forsee problems of that nature with this protocol.

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DYLAN
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posted August 17, 2000 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DYLAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to doubt you, but I would say it would be almost impossible it go from 195 lbs. @ 13% bodyfat to 200 lbs. @ 10.9% bodyfat IN 1 WEEK?
You said water retention is minimal. I would guess the 5 lbs you have gained is mostly water weight from the dbol, which isn't a bad thing. The primo won't even have a chance to kick in the way you have it.
I don't know, but if it works for you, all the best.
D.

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BigTruck
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posted August 17, 2000 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's a 2.1% drop in fat -- if my math is correct that's about 4 lbs. You think it's impossible to lose 4 lbs. in a week? I know naturals that lose 2 or 3 (or more, though they start to suffer muscle loss) without AS.

I'll give you that there could be some variance in conditions from bodyfat test to bodyfat test that might skew the numbers, but I would maintain that the above stated numbers are pretty close. Maybe it's only a 1.7% decrease -- whatever, I would hazard to say that, at most, we're talking within half a point.

As for water retention, yes, I COULD be holding more than I think I am -- but I know my body pretty well, I think I'm pretty close. It's not a perfect science.

Efficiency of the cycle -- this type of cycle and drug selections have been pumped up by Nelson Montana, Bill Roberts, Brock Strasser and a number of others. I believe that Roberts even did at least one case study (although I couldn't find the reference on mesomorphisis).

I've got no reason to distort the facts. I'd report it just the same if it was a giant failure. There's no shame in failure, just in not trying. To me, it's just about spreading the knowledge and experience. I know I've benefited quite a bit from others.

So far, I'm quite happy with the results of this cycle (although I'd like to see more strength, as I stated above). Time will tell if the overall goals are met. I'll keep you posted.

Later.

[This message has been edited by BigTruck (edited August 17, 2000).]

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THE APE
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posted August 17, 2000 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THE APE   Click Here to Email THE APE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love Bill Roberts theories and I love to hear about the results guys get off those short cycles.The greatest thing of all with that type of cycling is that you really aren't on long enough to disturb your natural hormonal axis to any great degree,therefor you don't have the extende recovery process like on a standard 8-10 week cycle.I very may well experiment with something like that down the road like that myself.Thanks for sharing your experience with us bro.

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CLEMDOG
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posted August 17, 2000 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CLEMDOG   Click Here to Email CLEMDOG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pretty cool man! As for taking the dbol for the 2weeks, regarding whether or not it will cut down on side effects, I definetely think so. Your not taxing your liver for very long and your not keeping a high exogenous androgen in your system for very long. Maybe slight acne breakout at most. The primo just seems like a waste, due to the time it requires to start kicking in and working. If you keep it at 2 weeks I would bump up the dose a little or run it for like 2 more weeks after the dbol is done. Just my thoughts. Enjoy.

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BigTruck
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posted August 18, 2000 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In response to the primo comments -- remember the goal of the program is not to add crazy size. It's true that there are more effective ways of cycling if your goal is only to add size. Health w/ 6 - 10 pounds of quality, maintainable muscle is the goal of this program.

The rationale behind doing the primo/d-bol this way (which may prove to be incorrect) is that because primo is active for 2 - 3 weeks after the last shot and takes at least a week to kick in, the d-bol kick starts the cycle and about the time your going off the d-bol, the primo is starting to kick in at about 400 mg a week. In effect, your doing a 4-week cycle (2 of d-bol, followed by 2 of primo ((with a little overlap in the middle) -- even though your only taking the drugs for 2 weeks.

I don't think 400 mgs of primo a week for a couple weeks is a waste. It is my hope that it will "solidify" gains and maybe add a couple pounds. Time will tell...

Thanks, Dylan, Clemdog and others for the excellent observations/comments!

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