posted August 15, 2000 02:17 AM            

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I'm about to go on my first cycle. I am going to be using decca and may possibly stack it with winny. I want to remain as ripped as I am now. I dont want water retention, and want to stay vascular. Is this possible? Should I do a lot of cardio or say fuck it and just lift and eat and eat.

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posted August 15, 2000 02:20 AM            

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On Deca Its going to be hard to stay ripped. Lets see what other people have to say.

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posted August 15, 2000 02:27 AM            

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okay im pretty sick of this kind of ignorance you obviously dont know much about the human body a.s or nutrition i suggest you do more research before you think of shrinking your nuts....
so u r j e r kkkk
im not trying to flame you by the way,im sure others will reply to your post better than i do...

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posted August 15, 2000 02:28 AM         

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What are you trying to do? If you're trying to bulk, than eat like a madman and bust ass in the gym. You'll probably gain a little fat, but you can always cut if off later.

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posted August 15, 2000 02:31 AM            

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well if you want to stay ripped, you will have to do cardio. And anything is posible as long as you want it bad enough(dont mean to sound like a parent but im sleepy)But winny sounds good, i dont' know much about deca though. later..

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posted August 15, 2000 02:33 AM            

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I know that Winny is supposed to be a great AS. If Deca is a promoter of mass then it will be hard to maintain very low bodyfat. In order to get AS to work properly or at all you will need to eat 3500+ calories of high protein/carbs foods. You can go to this site in order to read about steroid profiles to see which AS promotes what result... Hope this helps!http://members.xoom.com/ironroom/

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posted August 15, 2000 09:09 AM            

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Keep the diet clean bro, keep the water high the sodium low. I will tell you this, unless this is a cutting cycle, you probably will retain a little water if you are gonna eat alot of carbs. The winny will help control the water retention, also get some clomid. You want to bulk and cut at the same time, not the best thing to do bro, do one and then the other, if you are already ripped, adding a percent or two of bf is not the end of the world, this is how you add size you can always rip down again. You may wnat to rethink your situation.

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posted August 15, 2000 09:17 AM            

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ok

if your goal is to lose fat and gain muscle its not possible not even with as

your body needs enough cals to make gains

you wont stay ripped but you can stay quite lean eat lots of quality carbs protien and good fats and on you non lifting days do 20 mins cardio on stationery bike not intense just nice and easy does it but you will need to gain some fat to gain muscle .

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posted August 15, 2000 09:35 AM            

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why are some of you guys staiting to eat certain amout of calories 3500+ well he didnt say how much he weighed 3500 isnt some kind of magic number, he shold know him self how many calories he needs in order to grow or to cut up if he dosent and if you dont you shouldnt ewen be doing steroids you only need aditional 100 calories on top of what your energy needs to grow anything extra will lead to unwanted body fat, oh yes i know that if you eat like 4000 calories while on as you will grow no shit, but it gona be water retention and fat,so figure out how many cals you need to grow proparly

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posted August 15, 2000 12:55 PM            

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bulk when you are bulking and cut when you are cutting...thats why they have different stacks...

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posted August 15, 2000 01:05 PM         

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SUSTHEAD...Did u say that u cant gain muscle while losing fat?! on AS!? are u nuts bro. If u can't drop body fat and add some quality size on a cycle of winstrol alone u just have lousy genetics. Just on dieting right i can achieve lowering body fat and adding muscle. I'm sorry but i hate it when certain persons say u can't cut while adding quality gains.

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posted August 15, 2000 01:13 PM            

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cut to a person with 12% body fat is a different prespective then to a person with 6% body fat, of course u are gona add muscle if yr fat % is high and you du a cut cycle.but when you already have a body fat percent low and you are traing to get shreaded as much as posible it is unlike to add weight you are just traing to maintain the muscle u have cause your dieting.
genetics there is no such thing as genetics in my perspective my explanation for genetics is a dietary regimen and behaviors passed down from a generation to generation in other words if you were brought up in a house hold where you ate shit food it is most likely for you to eat shit food too cause it fells right for you or vise wersa where there is a will there is a way

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posted August 15, 2000 01:25 PM            

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Ill bump this for more input

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posted August 15, 2000 01:25 PM            

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight then how would you explain why blacks can run faster and jump higher? Is it beacause the eat better?I don't think so. Genetics play a large role in bodybuilding. I promise you that anyone can do exactly what Ronnie or Dorian Yates does and can't look nearly the same.Maybe a select few with great GENETICS but not many at all. Is this beacuase they eat better? No.

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posted August 15, 2000 01:36 PM            

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mentality many people dont poses what other people du,and also it is more like who responds better to drugs , what i was traing to say that the genes that you posse in your gene pool were determined log time ago and nutrition, climate,race and so on were a benefactor of the genes you were given and that dosent mean you cant achive what you want to

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posted August 15, 2000 01:42 PM            

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if you wana call me stupid go ahead, it is not something i made up actualy i read a book about it.

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posted August 15, 2000 02:10 PM            

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Genetics plays, by far, the biggest role. And it's always the guys with the best genetics who try to play off their gifts by saying that it is all hard work and anyone can just as easily achieve it. BULLSHIT! I have watched guys with good genetics who don't have a clue in the gym throw weights around with sub-maximal intensity while natural at the same time. They make progress no matter what. And they don't gain a large amount of fat no matter how many times they biggie size their fries. I watch this shit day in and day out. Then there are other guys who eat and train perfectly, bust their ass, and make minimal progress. Deny it all you want, but that's the way it is. Genetics is key.

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posted August 15, 2000 02:20 PM            

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Wow so much for answering the kids question huh! In high dosages of decca you will retain water. /Keep your sodium down and even try some over the counter water pills they sould help If you want to keep shreaded and just give yea a few lbs try more protein and some winny. And genetics plays a huge role over drugs any day!

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posted August 15, 2000 02:41 PM            

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I agree with gearface, consul, and Bchem and the rest. But without the work ethic and ability to visualize your goals the genetics will go to waste. It is only when these ingredients are combined that you get a D Yates, M Jordan, M Johnson, M McGwire, W Payton. Pick your sport.

Consultant, this question was already answered at 9:09 AM EST

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posted August 15, 2000 03:00 PM            

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I'm no expert, but here is my 2 cents. I am on a Deca only cycle (and no I have not got D-dick) and I will not start Clomid until my last shot. My weight has seemed to stay the same but I definatly look bigger and am a lot stronger. I think I have dropped some serious fat. I have had no water retension at all. I am only in week 5 and I have a good solid 4 weeks of growth left. I don't know? Who can explain this?
Cheers,
Jay

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posted August 15, 2000 03:07 PM            

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I was not implying that you are stupid in any way , just merely disagreeing bro.

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posted August 15, 2000 03:14 PM            

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ok, no problem

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