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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:14 AM
   
There has been a lot of talk recently about the difference between mexican and australian veterinary steroids. It is no secret that the quality control standards of australia are much more stringent/regulated than those of mexico, therefore aussie roids are considered a better(safer) product. I have read many posts about Decanandrolen 200 by Denkall being a much better product compared to Brovel's Norandren 200 because of the reasons I stated earlier. Many people choose Decanandrolen over Norandren because they believe it's cleaner, safer, and ultimately trust a product from australia more than one from mexico. Even though it costs almost twice as much as its mexican counterpart- this is a small price to pay for "peace of mind." Here's something you all should know- DECANANDROLEN & ULTRAGAN ARE NOT AUSTRALIAN PRODUCTS. They are made in Mexico City for Denkall. These two products are NOT being imported from Australia, they have nothing to do with Australia whatsoever. Yes, they are listed on the "ausvet" website... yes, the packaging is made to look like AUSTRALIAN STANAZOLIK & DENKADIOL... and yes, they cost a shitload more than mexican products... But I repeat- THESE ARE MEXICAN MADE PRODUCTS. Proof? Look here... Denkall imports 3 products from other countries to mexico- Maxigan from Colombia, Stanazolik from Australia and Denkadiol from Australia...Each one of these imported products has the "importation/exportation" info printed on the label and box- they have to do this for legal reasons. This is what I'm talking about: ILIUM STANAZOLIK ILIUM DENKADIOL (*** <--shows importation/exportation info) Now look at the Decanandrolen and Ultragan: DECANANDROLEN 200 ULTRAGAN Notice that there is NO import/export information printed on the box/label of these two products...Instead, it says "hecho en Mexico para denkall mexicana"- which translates to: MADE IN MEXICO FOR DENKALL MEXICANA- like I said, these two products are no more australian than reforvit-b. What will Denkall's excuse be? They'll say they never claimed the Ultragan and Decanandrolen were Australian products but rather that they are made in Denkall's "human-grade superior quality lab" in Mexico �ity...This is also FALSE. Denkall Mexicana is an IMPORT & EXPORT **COMPANY** located in Mexico, they are NOT A LABORATORY. If you visit the address for Denkall you will see it is an OFFICE, not a lab, and if you call them they will tell you the same..Denkall has privately contracted an actual pharmaceutical company in Mexico to make the Decanandrolen and Ultragan. Let me say this though, Denkall hasn't done anything illegal (maybe immoral) nor do I believe their products are bunk (actually I think the ultragan is quite good)- but they have tried to deceive you into thinking the Decanandrolen and Ultragan are coming from Australia. Hey, decanandrolen costs roughly $30 more per vial than norandren 200...just figure you're paying the extra money because the decanandrolen has a nicer box, label and vial compared to the nora200... bottom line- THEY ARE BOTH MEXICAN MADE PRODUCTS! IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 240 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:21 AM
I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you D.B., but with the way you love TTokkio (sic?) and with what I just read, you are starting to remind me of Bill Phillips..... IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 561 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:26 AM
How much are your mexican sponsers paying you to flood our board with the splendors their gear? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:29 AM
Yeah, I figured people would say that (that's why I didn't make any mention of ttokkyo)- but the info I posted is the truth...and you and I both know the big selling point for decanandrolen/ultragan is that they are "aussie" products, which they aren't. Anyways, when the decanandrolen first came out, someone who worked Troy labs in Australia posted on the Underground Supplements board that it wasn't an aussie product, that australia isn't exporting a 200mg nandrolone to mexico...nobody believed him, including me- I guess we should've. Ok, I'll stop posting info about mex & mex roids...didn't mean to spam the board with the info I know, I apologize if it seemed that way. Just thought people would be interested in knowing the decananadrolen and ultragan aren't aussie products...bad timing I guess. Peace [This message has been edited by Damian Borleone (edited August 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 240 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:47 AM
The vast majority of us don't care where it came from. All we care is that it contains what it says or is close in addition to it being sterile. The reason you didn't mention your product in the trashing of another is why you remind me of Bill Phillips. His strategy was to drop little subliminal messages about how negative the other companies were, i.e. purity. Of course, the only place there was to turn was to EAS for those who bought into it. Well I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the reason the bros are here at this board is because they have been disheartened by the supplement industry and it's crap. Most of us are well trained in spotting a sales pitch from a mile away. If your company is legit, then you have nothing to worry about. But right now, by trashing a trusted company like Denkall, you are putting yourself in a very unfavorable light. IP: Logged |
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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:59 AM
Now you've lost me. "My company?" Dude, I'm 27 years old and live in SoCal..If I owned lab ttokkyo do you really think I'd be posting on this board (hell no, I'd be in Cancun on the beach drinking a Dos XX with a couple latinas)? C'mon man, I spent 2 years at ASU (arizona state) and 2 at Cal State LA...my major had nothing to do with pharmacueticals/labs or anything. But like I've said before, I have lot's of info about the things that happen south of the border, was posting LONG before ttokkyo even thought about making a steroids (check the archives at the Anabolex board)...and all my posts were basically the same- just info on mex and mex roids. Sorry if you thought I was someone else. I'm going to disagree with you on one thing, if a company markets a product in such a way that is deliberately misleading to the customer- that's not cool in my opinion. [This message has been edited by Damian Borleone (edited August 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 240 |
posted August 14, 2000 01:10 AM
My major had nothing to do with what I do now either, so what's your point? I do know that anyone can become a sales rep, especially for a pharmeceutical company. I know doctors who talk about the typical "ven-duhs" who walk through their offices on a daily basis. It just sounds to me like you have way too much of a vested interest in this company not to be getting something in return. If I'm wrong then I apologize. If not I'll keep it simple and say piss off-go peddle your shit somewhere else. I love Denkall and will always trust them due to them having the most solid line available south of the border. IP: Logged |
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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 14, 2000 01:32 AM
My point was I don't think the owner of lab ttokkyo went to ASU and CSLA. A consultant for a mexican pharm. company, I am not...would be kind've difficult considering I am inept when it comes to Espanol. Vested interest? Yes, I do have one- in spreading INFORMATION about new/legit products...nothing more, nothing less. How many emails do you think I get from people on this board asking for "hookups" on the Mex products? MANY...and do I sell to them? No, I'm not a source. I don't even tell them where to go in Mexico to find products...I just let them know what's real and what's not. About "attacking denkall"... the info I posted is there, take it or leave it. But I do stand behind what I posted. Believe me, the vet shop owners in mexico are just starting to find out about Denkall's mis-representation of the deca/ultra- Denkall has more to worry about than some american posting on a message board. And it really wouldn't bother me if I get a bad rep for posting the truth. IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 700 |
posted August 14, 2000 02:31 AM
Why the flames? DB's information about Denkall Mexicana is correct. I personally like several Denkall products (Inpel Maxigan and Ilium Stanazolic in particular), but they're not made in Australia. IP: Logged |
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jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 122 |
posted August 14, 2000 02:32 AM
Hey Damian, I got no problems with hearing your info and happen to believe you unlike others here. I still think Denkall would have a better chance at making sure their goods are produced safely and properly than other Mexican companies. IP: Logged |
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ChefRski Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 232 |
posted August 14, 2000 02:48 AM
Good post...stop with the bullshit BChem. Take it for what it is and let it gooooooooooooooo.
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TonyDelk Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 48 |
posted August 14, 2000 03:00 AM
Just another person who appreciates your info Damian. Check out my post on New Mexican Gear. Answer it as best as you can please. Peace, TD IP: Logged |
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T Bone Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 100 |
posted August 14, 2000 03:35 AM
Thanks for info Damian, it is apreciated. Don't stop. T Bone IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 500 |
posted August 14, 2000 03:44 AM
Good info Damian thanks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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THE APE Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 550 |
posted August 14, 2000 12:15 PM
Yes Damian,,all your info is appreciated.Please keep us updated on current developements as you find them out.Thanks again for all your info. IP: Logged |
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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 14, 2000 06:33 PM
Jarabbit- I agree. I have never heard of any complaints about potency(mg dosage) or sterility as far as Decanandrolen is concerned. Now norandren 200? That's a different story. I would be interested in finding out what lab makes the ultragan and decanandrolen (and will email the denkall distributor to find out). I believe there are a total of 5-6 labs in Mexico who make medicines for various companies (tornel, brovel and ttokkyo being 3 that actually make their own products). It would be nice to know who is making the product you're shooting into your ass. Maybe one of the reps from Denkall/Ausvet could come over here and clear this up? IP: Logged |
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Ace Frehley Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 8 |
posted August 14, 2000 06:50 PM
Good job DB. I will be honest, I was thinking of decandrolen next time just because it was Aussie. I'm kinda new at this and that info was helpful. It would be nice to find out about underdosage on decandrolen, (if there is any). IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 1018 |
posted August 14, 2000 07:00 PM
DB very good info, but I wouldn't give a shit if it's made by Santa Claus at the North Pole- as long as it's clean and not underdosed...Which obviously rules out Brovel. IP: Logged |
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lexicon Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 385 |
posted August 14, 2000 08:14 PM
Decanandrolen and Ultragan are much better products than the versions made by Brovel. Thats really all that concerns me. I've never heard a complaint about Decanandrolen being underdosed,unsterile or underfilled. Nor200 on the other hand is almost always underdosed and underfilled. IP: Logged |
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quenepo Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 1028 |
posted August 14, 2000 09:22 PM
Damian,thanks for the info,you tell the true,but Deca and ultra are the betters than brovel products. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DocJ Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 279 |
posted August 15, 2000 12:52 AM
Your post earned a copy and paste from me...I don't do that very often, thanks. Keep 'em coming. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 266 |
posted August 15, 2000 02:39 AM
I don't care where it's made. They are all just as good. It's good to have access to all kinds, but if Mexican products is all I have access to, then thats what I'll use. By the way, some of the labs that I visited in Mexico are very clean. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Pet Rock Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 93 |
posted August 15, 2000 03:13 AM
Great post ... if you don't care where shit is made then move on to the next post and quit you're bitching... Geese it's worse than my first wife! I use the products and found it very very interesting... IP: Logged |
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johndoe Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 15, 2000 08:30 AM
Thanks db. I hope to see you on Anabolix more often. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TonyDelk Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 48 |
posted August 15, 2000 10:02 AM
I agree that Brovel products can sometimes be unsanitary/contaminated.(in my experience the T200) But I have been using Nor 200 for well over a year now and the stuff works big time for me. I don't notice any difference in it from the Decanadrolen. They both work equally well. I only use the 50cc bottles of Nor200. Just my opinion. IP: Logged |
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Lthrnk Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 82 |
posted August 15, 2000 10:05 AM
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kychad Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 2 |
posted August 15, 2000 01:24 PM
A couple of observations...1st of all, it is obvious that DB knows his shit on products, distributors,etc. Just because he posts some facts this bchemist guy goes on the defensive big time! Maybe he is the one with some type of vested interest in Denkall. Who knows, all I am saying is he was doing the blasting, not DB. Oh, and if Brovel and Tornel is sooo bad like you say they are, then why arent we all running to the docs office with baseball size abcesses on our ass? Its just not happening....some people kill me with their posts....! IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 526 |
posted August 15, 2000 01:34 PM
Idunno whats sum of the guys fuckin problems are but thanks for the info i appreciate it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 240 |
posted August 15, 2000 02:22 PM
OK kychad talk down to me all you want, you one post sarchastic bitch, I don't really give a fuck. All I know is that this guy is working WAY too hard just to be a "nice guy". I am going to call it the way I see it. I'm will continue to be skeptical because EVERYONE in this business who "tries too hard" to help, i.e. all this extra data, always ends up getting a profit. I am just looking out for my bros not to get ripped off. Who the fuck are you looking out for? BTW, that is probably the second time I have ever mentioned the word Denkall in over 200 posts. Why do you only have one "kychad"...oops I mean Tony, oh wait...I mean Damien? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 1420 |
posted August 15, 2000 02:34 PM
Im not saying anything either way, but it is very odd - almost as if this board is being marketed to. I really hope the ttokkyo products are legit as they claim (I would be happy with 300mg=at least 280mg), and I know the Aussie products are excellent. So I don't give a shit either way, which way this goes. But its odd that some of these peeps show up when ttokkyo hits the scene. Not to mention that one cat who had a whopping total of 1 post who was suckin Damians rod saying how we all should appreciate him. This may sound like a flame, but its not intended to. Like I would love to be able to get a way with 300mg/ml of deca. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 959 |
posted August 15, 2000 03:40 PM
Bchemist, I agree with you 100%. He's working WAY to hard for Ttokkyo labs. As for Denkall, they probably produce the product in a australian supervised environmenet up to their standards just as chevrolet does as well as MANY american manufacturers. IP: Logged |
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Ffactor Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 84 |
posted August 15, 2000 04:43 PM
great post DB!!!!! IP: Logged |
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Renegade Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 112 |
posted August 15, 2000 05:08 PM
Denkall products have proven to be quality products. They have earned their respect. It is up to the new boys to step up to the plate. (personally I doubt they will, but am kind of looking forward to them doing so) IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 467 |
posted August 15, 2000 05:42 PM
Wow, I can't believe someone would want to get in your face so bad about that info DB. I thought it was worth knowing.
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kychad Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 2 |
posted August 15, 2000 07:51 PM
Well I must have missed it in the book or something about posts but where does it say that just because it is my 1st post I am a "dumb one post bitch"? some of you guys just cant handle the facts....I dont even know who or where this Damien Borleone is, all I know is that from watching the boards is that he obviously knows his shit....Like the guy said, he didnt attack anything aoutDenkall, just posted some facts that some of us already knew! BTW, being so defensive makes you look even dumber than you already are. IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator Posts: 667 |
posted August 15, 2000 08:02 PM
in damian's defense, I love T200 and Nor200. They're cheap and get you fucking huge! What's the big deal? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 240 |
posted August 15, 2000 08:40 PM
Great attempt at the psychology....the cool calm collected one...hmmm..."so he obviously must be the more intelligent one". That crap doesn't work with me. I know when my point is valid and I don't need to disguise myself under a false handle to gain support. I am not here to win a popularity contest. Anyone who knows me personally can attest to that. Honestly I don't even know why I am wasting my time with this post. I almost never use mexican products anyways with the exception of sustanon. And even then I would rather have omnadren. But when I see the board cluttered with the same posts day in and day out and it is obviously a marketing attempt, I am going to speak my mind. So deal with it. It's a public forum. Not everyone is going to support you. If you can defend yourself against critics with grace then you have proven your point. But insulting my intelligence by speaking to me like I am beneath you....well... Oh wait...I'm defending myself again...I'M SUCH A MORON!!! IP: Logged |
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gamer Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 394 |
posted August 15, 2000 10:10 PM
Last time I checked Heinekin and Corona beer were being produced in the US. Does that make them American? Not according to Restaurant menu's, Industry pricing, or the general public's view. Just because it is made in Mexico (which is not a very secretive fact at all as I've known about this for some time.) doesn't make it Mexican. The Denkall Labs are controlling the production of Decanandrolen and Ultragan and consequently I will state once again that it is FAR BETTER than the Brovel counterparts. You demonstrate flawed thinking when you say people are paying $30 more for Aussie (which is actually $20 if they know what they are doing in Mexico)because they think it is from Australia. Australia doesn't mean shit, it's the fact that the products are clean and properly dosed which demands the higher price tag. I'm definitely not against you(DB)or your info but want to make this point. People will continue to question your motives if you trash a known good product line in favor of a sloppy copy and try to discredit it because it was actually produced in Mexico. You would also have to bash a number of European products as well as many products are produced in different country than they are sold in. You know mexico (as do quite a few of the So Cal boy's on the board) but you need to become more familiar with the how the pharmiceutical industry works around the world if you think Aussi Deca and EQ are shit because their production occurs in Mexico. Last example if you guys can't see my point. Volkswagon's cars are German right? Not if DB's theory is correct. They would be Mexican cars (that is where a large portion of these are produced along with Honda and many others) and Volkswagon is guilty of unethical advertising by claiming to be a European automobile. I hope you can see how absurd this claim is. IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 959 |
posted August 15, 2000 11:47 PM
My point exactly gamer. IP: Logged |
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gamer Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 394 |
posted August 16, 2000 12:22 AM
Saint Didn't see your post. Sorry for the infringement...heheee What can I say great minds think alike. But seriousely Bro your right on the money. IP: Logged |
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Damian Borleone Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 16, 2000 12:58 AM
Gamer, let me help you... 1. Denkall is not a "lab" so why do you refer to them as one? 2. Denkall is not an australian company. They are a Mexico-based import/export company. Just because Denkall imports stanazolik and denkadiol from australia, this does not make denkall an australian company, nor does it make stanazolik and denkadiol a mexican product. Remember, Denkall was importing Maxigan from Colombia long before they thought about importing the aussie gear- so were they originally a colombian company? If tomorrow Denkall starts importing Winstrol-V from the U.S., will they be considered an American company? No, they are and always will be a mexican company. 3. Stanazolik and Denkadiol are australian products exported to Mexico...they are very much australian products- and are superior in quality when compared to mex products. 4. Decanandrolen and Ultragan are mexican products made in Mexico on behalf of a mexican company(Denkall), by a mexican lab located in Mexico. 5. The owner of Denkall is Mexican. 6. I never claimed mexican products are better than australian because they aren't. Do mex products work- yes. Are they cost-efficient- yes. Are they readily available- yes. Are they better than australian- no. 1. Decanandrolen 200....$60.00
9. ausvet should change their name to Aus&Mex-vet. 10. I think the packaging/presentation for the ttokkyo products is poor(nice box, but the label with the square corners, lot & exp date printed not stamped and a vial that looks too much like brovel's- all have to go)- on par with Brovel...tornel is better, but aussie & u.s. packaging/presentation is the best. You can only judge the quality(sterility?) of a product by what people say, therefore the mex lab that makes Denkall's stuff and Ilium/Jurox/Fort Dodge are king...Tornel is good, Brovel has it's moments, and the word is still out on Ttokkyo. As far as the product containing what the label claims- I feel they all pretty much contain what they're supposed to. 11. Personal attacks against me (saint, chemist, consultant, texassam, diehard), well, don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message. And if you ever want to take these flames a step further- I can meet you in baja on a days notice. 12. Me posting under different handles- never (on this board)...just because someone uses the same internet-medium as me, doesn't mean we are the same person...I have no need to give props to myself- nor would I ask anyone to do it for me. (Btw I know how how to spell my own handle, it's not damiEn) I am grateful if anything I posted has helped though. I think it's really interesting how the focus has shifted from whether Ttokkyo labs is legit or not to what is damian borleone's reasons for posting so much in-depth fact-filled cutting-edge info? db IP: Logged |
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GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 506 |
posted August 16, 2000 01:15 PM
I'm not doubting you at all bro. I'd like to know the source of this information you have. If you don't want to discuss it here, please e-mail me. Sounds like you have some good knowledge to share, and as one who regularly shops in TJ for "products", I'd like to get some feedback from you on things. IP: Logged |
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johndoe Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 91 |
posted August 16, 2000 01:17 PM
I gotta' bump for the thread that will not die! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 959 |
posted August 16, 2000 03:26 PM
Cutting Edge Info, is that right Damian. You bring up the Ausvet site as having good info and yet you attack the doc. You don't even know who runs the Ausvet site, do you? As far as taking it a step further--- I'm still laughing. IP: Logged |
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Pup'nIrn Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 325 |
posted August 16, 2000 03:37 PM
Hey Bro, I am going to thank you rather than flame you. some of us like a few smart people on the board sharing their knowledge with other bros and posting something that is interesting. I think half the people flaming you would use whatever the hell they had in their hands whether it came from US or fuck'n africa if they thought it would work!!! The truth is that their are lower standards in mexico than the US and other countries. Just as there are lower standards for vet products than pharmaceuticals for humans but the key is you are most likely not getting your supply from the supermarket!! Whether it has US, Australia, Mexico, etc. on the damn label is not most people's problem! If you are get your gear from the blackmarket YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY IN IT NO MATTER THE LABEL!!!! Your real prolem is whether the shit is real or not. I have seen lots of legit bottles with good brand names drained and recapped with unsterile oil to be sold to brand trusting people just like you. So guys quit flaming the shit....your "so-called" cleaner, safer gear might not be near as safe as my vet gear from mexico. He was just informing people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Curious Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 447 |
posted August 16, 2000 04:21 PM
Where's the trust... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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mt Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 5 |
posted August 16, 2000 10:05 PM
Hey D.B., when did Tornel come out with their version of Deca and what's it called? IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 959 |
posted August 16, 2000 10:15 PM
To clear this up once and for all, Denkall is a marketing co. I contacted S***** Consulting, one of the owners of Denkall along with two Drs. from San Fransisco. They told me ALL Denkall products are made by Troy labs. The stanazolic and denkadiol are bottled in Austalia and the decanandrolen and ultragan are bottled in their facility in Mex. city. IP: Logged |
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Fukkenshredded Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 112 |
posted August 16, 2000 10:21 PM
D...thanx for taking the time to post accurate information. It has been my experience (albeit limited) on this board that much of the info submitted is opinion that has been regurgitated so much it has solidified into 'fact'. Don't get me wrong...most of the people who post here are quite positive and friendly, and when I initially posted I was fairly well received. However, I made the mistake of thinking that folks were actually interested in details about most everything concerning body enhancement, in every regard. Consequently, I posted frequently, often times in what amounted to nebulous verbage about obscure concepts. I soon discovered that the apex of interest is one of two things, so obvious that they need not be mentioned. You seem intelligent and will most likely very quickly spot the trend of which I speak. Don't let the negative feedback about your post discourage you from posting. Many of us are extremely appreciative of applicable knowledge, no matter how esoteric it seems some. We may not post often anymore, but we do read. It is, after all, the best board for this stuff on the net. Posts like yours make it so. Thanks again. IP: Logged |
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GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 506 |
posted August 16, 2000 11:51 PM
Good post Mr. Shredded. That's why I'm here. I look forward to intelligent, thought provoking posts. I'm here to learn like everyone else. IP: Logged |
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mt Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 5 |
posted August 17, 2000 04:54 PM
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Steriod_Virgin Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 333 |
posted August 17, 2000 06:03 PM
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