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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 13, 2000 06:21 PM
 
recently a post was up saying that an 18year old was taking dbol and has gotten some sides from it. besides the point at what age would you bros think is safe to start taking AS (espically such as Dbol.) i stated that a male should wait until at least 21. someone else says it really doesnt matter. bros give us an age... thanks swol IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 532) |
posted August 13, 2000 06:51 PM
Mindset, Maturity, and Goals take precedent over chronology. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 13, 2000 06:59 PM
Twisted Steel I like your replies now more than ever. "ITS NOT THE AGE ITS THE MILEAGE" ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1486) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:06 PM
Definately a flamers special here....heh heh heh....I started at the age of 16...too young!! Didn't know what I was doing, and fucked it up...lost all my gains to boot....Older than 16 for sure though!!! ------------------ Ranger IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1346) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:07 PM
thats interesting. you guys like that answer because it suits your needs. it sounds cool to justify starting early. truth be told: you are not done growing at 18, nor is it possible to have reached your genetic peak. if you want to waste a good growth spurt, go ahead and start. if anyone out there thinks they have reached the max they can pack on their frame naturally at the age of 18, they are sadly mistaken.(regardless when someone started training, the timeframe for actual anabolic growth is short by 18) but to each his own. IP: Logged |
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aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 339) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:19 PM
Well said bro~man. People are always ready to hear what they want to hear. If you plan to start using gear too early than there isn't too much that's going to stop you, short of death or a cop. However, be aware that you aren't doing yourself any favors. I'm in my mid-20's now and it's only been in the last year that I really noticed that it was harder than it used to be to make gains without gear. If you're still in your teens and you think you can't gain any more weight, then your training probably sucks and your diet is probably worse. Flame? Yes. People that age are really impatient and often lack any kind of foresight. They also train with their balls and not their heads. That's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. No one here is your dad, so it doesn't affect us one way or another and we're not going to cry about it if you don't listen to the overwhelming majority's advice. IP: Logged |
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Gettinhard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 265) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:38 PM
21 is good but personaly i say around 23...the body is still growing and you can interfer with the natural growth process.. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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@LRG Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:44 PM
their is no set age to when you stop growing, so this thread will get alot of different views--peersonally i think its an individual thing depending on the person. im@LRG IP: Logged |
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HackN2it Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 164) |
posted August 13, 2000 07:50 PM
I'm no pro but, I know I didn't stop growing until I was 21..Just had this last growth spurt around that age... Hack IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:14 PM
very well said aahthit. my whole view on the matter is that at a young age you encounter more of a potential/future risks of side effects and other problems/complications. the way i see it is... wait until the body is done developing and the mind is mature and you will find happier safer results. IP: Logged |
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bbman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:20 PM
From a biological point of view, you should not start testosterone or hormonal replacement therapy unless, biologically or anatomically, something is missing, malfunctioning, or lacking. The human body does not stop grow, theoretically, until the age of twenty-one. The normal maturation of the male and female should, ideally, have reached completion before one even considers the use of AS. I think that the likelihood of doing damage by disrupting or cutting short the natural anatomical growth by introducing the use of steroids is real. For those who have, there is no telling what they could have reached if they had waited till there bodies had stopped growing. As far as maturity of character and personality and the use of AS, I would say that a person should not consider it until they are twenty-five. Twenty-five seems to be the age when a certain....enlightenment....or maturity of mind is reached by the human male. At twenty-five you see things much more differently than you did at twenty-one and each proceeding year after twenty-five seems to cause a person to become more attuned and accountable to themselves and those around them, or community. Philosophically speaking.......... Uh.....I'll shutup now. Peace bros. IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 13, 2000 08:29 PM
well put bbman. these kids will regret not waiting. and i couldnt agree with you more. starting test at 18 is insane. your test is already high as it is. why shut it off. i wouldnt promote an 18 year old using AS but if he was going to do it anyways, i would say it would be better to start with such as primo, or even deca rather than DBOL and sus (test) i think bj81 is soo defensive because he is unsure and scared of the mistakes he could be making right now. swol IP: Logged |
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DocJ Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 278) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:38 PM
Average male growth plates do not close completly until the early 20's. Maturity does make a difference though... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 13, 2000 11:49 PM
Swol I you should stop speaking about me. In a rude manner Or I'll be forced to take action against you. No threat just telling you that you should have some common sense and respect. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1346) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:56 PM
true,growth plates are one factor but exhausting the amount of anabolic growth your body is naturally capable of is another. different training methods, altering caloric intake, increasing rest; all other methods of "eeking" out more growth. when you have all of those dialed in and you cant grow anymore, chances are you arent near the age of 18. trial and error takes time, thats what being "seasoned" is all about. having paid your dues, put in the time, "been there done that. not to be inflammatory, but the experience level is just not there at that age, regardless of the mindset you are in or the amount of effort you put in. at that age give it time, allow yourself to peak naturally, that way when you do hit up chemical options you arent still trying to figure out the other factors of growth. you dont want to ultimately waste $$$$ and health for gains that could have been attained earlier by other means. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TheBoxer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted August 14, 2000 01:01 AM
I am 18, just started d-bol/sustanon. I train intensely every day, i have since i was in 7th grade. I've posted my pics on here before. I gotta pack on the mass. I have stayed at the same strength, size and weight for over a year now. Steroids were my only alternative. Also, my friend who is 17. Is 6'4 283 at 14% bf. benches 405. Tell me how he could get much bigger naturally IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 01:07 AM
AS wasn't the only alternative. But It was your choice and many others. For that same reason we shouldn't be frowned upon when we ask a question. The anwser shouldn't be "stop your cycle your to young". It should be this is what you should do. Everything should be treated with respect no matter what age. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 14, 2000 01:23 AM
big nate and boxer... let me clear things up for the both of you. i never did and never will disrespect any bros here, no matter what the age. anyone in this sport gets my respect, unless i am disrespected from them. in fact if i had no respect for you all i wouldnt give a rats ass that you take AS at that age. however, i do feel that we should all learn from people's mistakes. many bros here have said that starting too soon is no good for many reasons. the reason for my statement (that he should wait) is for his own health. NOT MINE! why else would i say a thing like that? this never did intend to get personal but you seemed to take it in that direction. the more you did the more of a point i was making. if you want to continue the insults and bashing... go ahead. i dont have time for that. i fear just about no one, so dont think for a minute i fear you. good luck to you and all the 18 year olds on AS here. I really do hope the best for you all. sniff sniff =( swol IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 01:39 AM
You told him to stop his cycle because he was eighteen. Thats wrong to do. Hes on And if you didn't want to anwser him thaen you shouldn't have replied. You gave him no respect he made the choice to start. You should help him out or leave him along. Basically your saying that if I bought a dog and asked for help because it craps all over the place you would tell me you should have waitted until its to old to shit allover the place. He asked for your help and you lashed out out him. Age doesn't matter he had a question and you told him he shouldn't have done it in the first place. That solves nothing. He still has the problem you gave him no help. Just don't write if you don't want to help. Its not that he hasn't researched. Its the fact that he had a side effect and asked for help on what to do about it. Shit you should have just freaking helped him instead of being an ass. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 452) |
posted August 14, 2000 01:52 AM
I will say this. I have been around a long, long time with this iron game thing. The fact of the matter is that I personally have seen people come and go. I know that it has been said that one should wait, but consider this: I personally watched both Rich Gaspari and Franco Santoriello grow and become pros. They both stated before twenty. Coincidence, I think not. I think if you want to take it to the next level and beyond then you must learn how yout body acts and reacts to everything as soon as possible. Starting early allows this. Just my .02.
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1346) |
posted August 14, 2000 02:00 AM
swol reread my responses. i said nothing that contradicts your position on this matter. i think you may have me mixed up with bigjay81. IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 14, 2000 02:04 AM
oh big nate im sorry, i had you confused. i apologize. it was like you said intended to bigjay81. sorry again swol IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 02:06 AM
Look People I don't care what you have to say about age. Lets break it down folks. Boxer had question. Swol gave smartass response I deffended Boxer All hell breaks out =======equals===========Bad For Board
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 02:08 AM
As I re-read your post swol you did disrespect a few members don't sugar coat it. It was wrong to do just fess up.  ------------------ [This message has been edited by BigJay81 (edited August 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1346) |
posted August 14, 2000 02:24 AM
ALRIGHT GROUP HUG DAMMIT!  hehe. just varying opinions, im sure that was the intent of this thread. good to hear both sides, and why people take that position. like most bros say "just my .02" ps. its all good swol, kindof confusing with all the big_____ here. hehe. IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 02:29 AM
A Hug I don't go in for that kind of thing with big bulky men. HAHAHA How about a nice firm Hand shake. HEHEHE We still never got the mods view points. Oh well We didn't need them any way. J/K mods IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted August 14, 2000 02:46 AM
i never disrespected anyone here. if so tell me how? as for the hand shake bigjay, its all good. just like big nate said. everyone is going to have a different opinion. we might not agree on the topic but i guess we will never really know the TRUE answer. im ready to drop it all if you are bigjay. swol IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 02:58 AM
Dropped Cooked Fried Sizzeled Flame Broiled Pick anyone Its Done. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 342) |
posted August 14, 2000 12:34 PM
I'm totally with BigNate.Show me an 18 year old who's at their "natural max" and I'll show you someone who: 1) Overtrains 2) Doesn't do: squats.deadlifts(floor and rack),bent over rows 3) Doesnt eat enough-or buys into that "nutrient density shit" Buttplug Phillips preaches 4) Is afraid 400 grams of protein will send them into kidney failure and dialysis 5)Wants a short cut I was 18 once and thought I'd never get much bigger-wrong! I deadlifted over 600lbs before I ever did any gear at all. Thats something you cannot take away. Plan,plan'plan. My best gains where from age 22-24/25 . I stopped that 3 on one off and 4days on and one day off training bullshit. I just split my body up into groups and only trained every other day. Chest biceps-day off. legs-day off-shoulders and triceps-day off, back(entire) and then one day off and then maybe even 2! Thats fucking growth !!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 339) |
posted August 14, 2000 12:47 PM
You just hit on something that people tend to forget about. Rest!! The training routines that a lot of people buy into are ones that they read about in Flex or some other magazine. If you're on cycle, you can get away with that amount of training for a while. If you're not using gear, a lot of the routines you run across in "Muscle and Fiction" are overtraining for most people's goals. That's not to say they don't have their place, but if you try to mimic the pro's without the medicine cabinet of the pro's, you're asking for overtraining and no gains. Hell, even on cycle I would recommend a lot more rest than the bull ca-ca routines those guys claim to use. The older I get, the more focused I become. Ironically, that translates into less time in the gym per workout. The really silly thing is that I look a lot better now than I did when two different shifts of maintenance people at the gym knew my name. IP: Logged |
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FLEXMEX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249) |
posted August 14, 2000 04:04 PM
im with twisted steels reply at the top. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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gymkid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted August 14, 2000 04:24 PM
i'm with twisted steel..... it all depends on when yur done growing and the mindset that your in. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3623) |
posted August 14, 2000 05:19 PM
Over 19 and with at least 3-4 years of hardcore training. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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bbman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted August 15, 2000 07:41 AM
2Thick's a mod and the mods have spoken. I wanna say that Bigjay is a big man as well as the other guys that were arguing with him. You all had a problem and you resolved it on your own and that is what seperates the men from the boys. Big hand clap for you all. peace bros. IP: Logged |
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