posted August 12, 2000 04:54 PM            

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Beginning of my cycle I weighed 193lbs. Im a little over 2 weeks in, and I now weigh 204lbs, gained 1/2" on both bi's, 1/4" on quads. I feel bloated as hell too, look bloated as hell. But i people tell me I look big so who gives a fuck. Seems like the napo's took longer then I expected to kick in. I was starting to think I got rippped, guess I was a little anxious.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:16 PM            

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gonna preach and tell you again, you need more drugs, so you will keep the gain and the oral will work better.......deca, sustanon, primabolin, winstrolv, equipoise, primotestin, or cypionate.......preferrably deca, primotestin, and winstrol. wait till you get off the napo, you gonna shrink to 185.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:18 PM            

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im coming off w/ hcg and clomid

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posted August 12, 2000 05:20 PM            

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that dont mean shit, just because you take that shit dont mean you gonna keep shit, that is BS, all that shit does is bring your nuts back.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:24 PM            

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and thats the whole point right? your test is low when u come off and your body can't support the extra muscle that you've built. so clomid gets the test back up, gets your nuts running again, and u keep more muscle. maybe im looking at it wrong, opinions plz.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:28 PM            

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man that is bullshit, everyone is misconcepted about clomid and hcg, its just to bring your nuts back quicker, to keep the gains you need to take decca or primabolin, I have seen a heated debate about this shit, and you know what clomid or hcg doesnt have anything to do with keeping gains, if you want to keep the gains you need to do a good maintenance session with decca or primabolin, I know guys who dont even use clomid or hcg.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:33 PM            

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u say shit alot. look at his 2nd post. LOL.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:37 PM         

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C-dizzo:There is something in your body called natural testosterone.Certain steroids suppress this.Taking other steroids at the end of the stack to maintain gains is great,but they do nothing to restore your naturally occuring testosterone levels which have been suppressed.Your theory is correct for the person who NEVER goes off the gear but for some one else who does take breaks in between cycles,they are going to need to restore their hormonal axis back to normal.Clomid will do this.Other steroids will not.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:41 PM            

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yeah thats what a bunch of muthafukas preach on here SHIT, the truth is everyone is different, and if what works for one guy doesnt mean its gonna work for another, maybe one guy took hcg or clomid and thought he kept the gains because of it, and the other tapered with winstrol, deca, and primabolin and kept it too without the female drugs. I always heard that no matter what you are gonna lose atleast 30%, and that is counting if you took drugs highly anabolic, the napo is highly androgenic, it aromatizes fast, and gains are lost quick, just like anadrol, you get big as fuck quick but when you get off if you arent on some winstrol or primabolin, you can kiss the size goodbye.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:47 PM         

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You missed my whole point big fella.Eventually if you ever plan on taking a BREAK from gear usage,you are going to have to restore your natural hormonal levels or you are going to really be f**ked up.The other steroids will NOT help in this regard what so ever.Clomid will.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:51 PM            

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no I understand and know that, that post was replying to he says shit alot, the point I was trying to make is that hcg or clomid use does not mean you are garunteed to keep the gains, I know that you have to bounce your test levels with these drugs after use, but i was debating about the part when he replied I will keep the gains because I am taking hcg and clomid.

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posted August 12, 2000 05:54 PM         

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Cool C-Dizzo.Glad to see we could have a cool discussion big fella.......

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posted August 12, 2000 06:12 PM            

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Then why i have i been told by like a lot of people on here that clomid will help me keep my gains??

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posted August 12, 2000 06:58 PM            

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The clomid will help to a degree spunky. I'm actually with Dizzo on this one. I think it's a waste of money to use d-bol by itself, and a bit dumb considering everyone on this board warns against it. NO flame but get something to go with it, for yourself, you need something else. Good Luck

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posted August 12, 2000 07:34 PM         

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what the fuck is napo?

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posted August 12, 2000 07:38 PM            

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napo is d-bol

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posted August 12, 2000 07:39 PM         

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If you take hcg and clomid at the end of your cycle then with clenbuterol and haloteston for three weeks you should be fine. Halo. doesn't convert to estrogen. then tyake 6-8 weeks off using celltech and nitrotek then resume next cycle..you won't lose much if you train hard and eat right. Most people can't it through their headsd that if you don't eat right, steroids will only do so much for you!!!

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posted August 12, 2000 07:43 PM            

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I think the point that c-dizzo is making is that it is hard to gain and keep muscle on orals alone. I have witnessed this first hand several times. I had a friend for example, who did a cycle of dbol only with 300dbol. He took clomid EOD and at the end. At one point he was 14 lbs heavier and was very happy. But even with the clomid do you know how much muscle he actually kept? About 4 lbs. If he would have stacked with some injectable test he probably would be 15 lbs heavier right now. It is hard to get good gains on orals alone. It is not impossible, but very rare. Peace...Mav

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posted August 12, 2000 08:01 PM         

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good point mav...the time-tested theory remains true to this day ...orals w/ injectibles is the way to go!

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