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 Do you think Arnold (in his prime) could win a Mr.O today?
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BillyBadAss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 12, 2000 02:55 PM
  
I'd say yes...sure todays guys are much bigger, and the sport has changed, and so has the diet, but when it comes down to it, it's still who looks better. IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 495) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:07 PM
Yes true BUT the judging has also changed over the years. Take Frank Zane for example. A true champion who won the title in the 70's with arms measuring 17 inch. Now most of the builders are on stage with 20+ arms, I think the judging has definately moved towards the Monsters such as Nasser! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1167) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:10 PM
the man had no legs and was lucky to win anything IP: Logged |
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jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:10 PM
With todays enhancement of chemicals and diet and training improvements Arnold would win! I say this because he would also be a monster and his drive, determination and perserverence in the gym and out is unparalled and amazing. He would also have very nice symetry to that monster physique. Frank Zane on the other hand I would say no. IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:10 PM
Only if he did the drugs of today. It's not really fair to compare eras like that. Bodybuilding of the 60's and 70's is little like it is today. I would love to look like Arnold or Zane. I would never like to look like the competitors of today. IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 495) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:19 PM
ANIMAL B. How can you say that about such an athlete as what Frank was! Yes of course he wouldnt stand much of a chance against the likes of today but im talking about in his day! Anyman who achieves his goals, as he did deserves the utmost credit and respect for doing that! I would NEVER call him lucky and neither would he. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 665) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:23 PM
i was an Arnold fan myself, still i think that Sergio Oliva would have more change to win the big O. today. I have seen the posted pictures of Coleman here and if you compare the ones of Oliva 25-30 years ago, with the possibilities of today, i would say he could win now. You can check his pictures here http://www.bodybuilder.org/chat/list.php3?num=8 if you click on O you will see his incredible pictures. Don't forget they are at least 25 years old. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Monster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 267) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:24 PM
Not a chance! I love the guy, and think he had a body that deserved everything he won, but today we are soooo far beyond that. His legs were very weak by todays standards for one... when you really look at everything, there are pros now with physiques on par with Arnolds in his hey day. They NEVER place well because theyre considered to be to small... Sure judges now want quality, but they want mass, too. I feel that they give a little leeway for quality if the guy is a freak. IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1167) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:24 PM
Charlie I wasnt refering to frank zane a person incredable in symettry and form,,I was refering to arnold who was all upperbody with no legs...sorry for the confusion IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 495) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:28 PM
OOPS sorry ANIMAL B. Thats me THICK AS FUCK. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 880) |
posted August 12, 2000 03:43 PM
I say no, but that is because of the judging that is done. If the judging was more like it was then yes he would have stood a chance. I for one don't like the judging that is going on today. If Arnold had the benifits of todays drugs, I believe his legs would have been tremendous. He had 18 inch calfs and 28 in thighs. He easily would have added inches to his thighs. He busted his ass in the gym on his legs, it isn't his fault he was not a super freak with drugs. chesty ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 259) |
posted August 12, 2000 04:19 PM
I agree with animalB, he wouldn't be able to compete thigh for thigh. Plus he would have to be willing to get a lot tighter that he had to back then. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1167) |
posted August 12, 2000 04:25 PM
I am genetically not gifted for legs,,but for my show coming up I have improved since the last show and looking to win the north peru regional..after this the top 3 to the selective all peru, then the top 3 to invernoamericano..kind of like MR south america..I got off the topic sorry IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 253) |
posted August 12, 2000 05:44 PM
with as much growth as the pros do today who knows what arnold could have looked like. its a different ballgame today. the same goes with powerlifting. Bill Kazmaier never did growth when he was competing yet looked what he accomplished and think what he could have done with it. IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:06 PM
Well this is a hard question, you guys keep saying the drugs of today, didnt arnold and them do the same shit, as far as steroids, growth hormones and dbol, and all that, today these bb's take insulin, nubain, and all this other shit, I mean Arnold would weigh almost 250 in a competition, and he weighed that consistently, the guys today are thicker, but arnold is 6'2, the winners of today are 5foot and something, now what would ronnie coleman look like standing next to arnold. IP: Logged |
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jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:09 PM
All about the drugs and nutrition. If you look at just about all sports especially track and field you will see a slow improvement in performance. Given that Arnold would have been doing everything all the top guys are doing he would of been much bigger and everything else that goes with it than he was then. And while his legs weren't his strong part they weren't bad. There is a great picture of him at Golds that I was just looking at as I read this before I went and his legs looked fine. Arnold Mr O if put in a time capsule! IP: Logged |
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TonyDelk Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:32 PM
I think it is even more amazing that Zane built his physique with obviously sub-standard genetics(pro-bodybuilding wise) Look at his attachment and insertion points. He has long arms and legs and as a result it was very difficult to bring them up. But you guys are right, no way Zane competes in today's game. IP: Logged |
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Swollen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 223) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:32 PM
Todays pros are disgusting and are a fucking joke, with the exception of Shawn Ray. Why? They are too big, un-athletic, muscle bound and the chicks don't like it. The best physiques are athletic ones. Zane, Oliva, Arnold, Ray, and Franco are just a couple of examples of how a pro should look. I think it is bullshit that today, a guy won't have a chance if he's not big enough. I piss on todays judges for making the standards of todays bodybuilder. Ronnie can't even walk because he is so fucked up. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tbigg82 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:33 PM
I SAY IF ARNOLD WAS IN THIS BODYBUILDING ERA TODAY WITH THE SAME DRUGS HE WOULD DEFINETLY BE THE MR. OLYMPIA. IP: Logged |
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Recoome Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 161) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:41 PM
If Arnold megadosed like they do today, along with growth hormone and insulin, he would weigh around 280 pounds, if not bigger... IP: Logged |
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jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted August 12, 2000 06:42 PM
I couldn't agree more with Swollen. Zane is who I would like to look like, ripped , symetrical, veiny, hard, good size. The physique that would look great in street clothes or at the beach. And yes you would get laid like no other with that physique, enough said! IP: Logged |
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Monster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 267) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:00 PM
You guys are saying "if he had the drugs of today" and this and that... the question is COULD ARNOLD IN HIS PRIME WIN! As in, the Mr.O's of then and now. Arnold at his best condition of any year he competed would make a sorry placing today. But times have changed so it isnt a fair comparison. Now if he was competing now, he may be able to hang. They were on even ground then and he was above the pack, so I think he would do pretty damn good today. IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:10 PM
The return of Lou Ferrigno should be some indication. He competed at what...275 back then? And when he made that comeback a few years ago he was over 300. So right there is an indication of the difference in the drugs that are used now vs. the 70's. IP: Logged |
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Bam Bam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:11 PM
I agree with chemist, with his genetics and todays rocket fuel,, he would compete for the title easily.. Bam Bam IP: Logged |
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Linares868 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted August 12, 2000 08:13 PM
I don't think so. the freaks of natures that we have today and the drugs available. Arnold did look good for his time but I don't think he has a chance today. IP: Logged |
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Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted August 12, 2000 09:58 PM
Regardless of when he competed or could compete, Arnold had the persona of a champion, not just the body, I think everyone has forgotten this point. Look at other bodybuilders who lacked the ora of a champion but had the body and still never won. Ferrigno (sp) , Shawn Ray ect..... IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 253) |
posted August 13, 2000 10:46 AM
Monster if that is the question then arnold in his prime wouldnt even qualify for pro status because there is no way in hell he could win the nationals or the usa now. competitors are much harder and bigger than he was. IP: Logged |
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ANVIL222 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:09 AM
WITH TODAY'S CHEMICALS AND NON STOP CYCLES THAT THE PROS USE TODAY ARNOLD'S OFF SEASON BTY. WT. WOULD BE 300 + . HIS CONTEST WT. COULD BE IN THE 260-270 RANGE. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Iowa Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted August 13, 2000 11:22 AM
The original question was whether Arnold could compare "in his prime" with today's athletes..... NO WAY IN HELL! Today's top Pros are harder, leaner, and BIGGER (thanks to more drug choices and a few mad chemists). In direct comparison, Arnold would do okay with his upper body development, but his legs would be under-developed, by today's standards. I think that is the key, right there. "TODAY'S STANDARDS" are totally different. Unfortunately, the judges are looking for the FREAKY physiques right now and balance and symmetry (like Zane had, and Shawn Ray has) are overlooked for the freakish 300 pound Markus Ruhls, Paul Dillets and Ronnie Colemans..... Likewise, you take a modern FREAK back into the 70's with Arnold and they probably would get laughed right off the stage....... after everyone cleaned out their shorts! Just my $.02 Peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 665) |
posted August 13, 2000 12:08 PM
Today BB are in shape almost all year around, because of the big money involved. In the early seventies Arnold, Zane and Franco where off roids for most of the time. They began cycling just in time for the one or two big events that took place. There where pictures of those guys off season in Joe Weider's magazine and Arnold was as skinny as hell, no muscles at all. http://www.bodybuilder.org/chat/list.php3?num=8 Again i post the site where you can see pictures of all the top BB's like Priest, Coleman (151 pics) Shawn Ray (103 pics) and the others. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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foreverblast Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169) |
posted August 13, 2000 12:47 PM
arnold had the most perfect bodybuilding genetics as well as the drive and determination. I don't think anyone thought Arnold could have turned out to be the champion that they saw.... He had a fucking brick laying job and worked in the Weider's office sorting through stupid ass megazines. Today's bodybuilders do little else then injecting, sleeping, resting, and eatting.. Arnold with today's combination of drugs and free time would beat the pants off of some of today's freaks.. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 665) |
posted August 13, 2000 01:15 PM
i will bump this. Take a look at Sergio Oliva's pictures (25 years ago). He could really be the king today. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Swollen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 223) |
posted August 13, 2000 01:25 PM
Sergio and Arnold will be battleing it out in the heavens for the all time physique! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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yarpic Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 13, 2000 06:24 PM
I looked at the sergio oliva pics and some are fantastic. I'm sure many today bodybuilders reach or go beyond his arms size but none with such a complete package. For example super-freaky lee priest or paul dillet tried to do the same "bat" pose (arms almost locked in the air) but none looked as good as oliva. But to be honest, I must say that Black and w pics make bodies look more impressive. IP: Logged |
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KidRock Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 111) |
posted August 14, 2000 12:18 AM
Arnold could'nt even win the Mr. California contest these days let alone the Mr. Olympia. He admitted that himself. Now, if he were in his prime and had access to all the new lower body machines and drugs of today.....I think he could. IP: Logged |
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susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 229) |
posted August 14, 2000 10:01 AM
when arnold was competing the drugs were of better quality he just didnt use as much as they do today there was no growth but there was everything else and you could get it from ya local pharmacy. ciba dianabol is far better then than the rubbish shit ya get now also with arnolds genetics and todays doses + growth he would win mr o IP: Logged |
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MIKAI Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 14, 2000 12:42 PM
Bro's, I think most of the pros now do look to big when you look at a pro i like to see proportion i think arnold had it all thats why he won so many times. Maybe he would win now but maybe not who knows but we know that he was the best in his day and thats what counts...! I dont wanna be so big i cant walk and some of the pro's must suffer from this...! I just want a good size thats not hugly out of proportion and i think thats what everyone should aim for not just this huge bulk..! I think ronnie is a prime example of to BIG...! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bigjohnstud Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 58) |
posted August 15, 2000 01:52 AM
id have to say no, he didn't have the leg size. don't get me wrong, his upper body was huge but didn't have the wheels IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 257) |
posted August 15, 2000 02:32 AM
I like Arnold also. But his upper body is way too big for his lower body. Not proportional! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Recoome Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 161) |
posted August 15, 2000 03:15 AM
For some reason, I'm more impressed by Arnold's old black-and-white pictures, than I am of today's pros. Probably because today's guys are mostly drug-built, while Arnold was mostly killer genetics and super intense training. Just look at his fucking eyes in his pictures while he's training and pumped, he's fucking jacked IP: Logged |
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pharmaguy Amateur Bodybuilder |
posted August 15, 2000 03:49 AM
he was less than a god, but more than a man. And regardless of what anyone on this board says, I think damn near anyone who is here started doing what they are doing because of Arnold. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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rancid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted August 15, 2000 05:12 AM
maybe a fairer question might be, could todays mr. o's entrance be able to compete with arnold using the training equipment, diet, less pharmacopia and relying alot more on their dedication w/o all the other progress that we have now, how would dorian, flex, and ronnie have done against arnold, and sergio who I considered the greatest next to arnold but was probably more genetically gifted? IP: Logged |
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vdevil Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 916) |
posted August 15, 2000 09:36 AM
never. IP: Logged |
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HHH Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted August 15, 2000 10:41 AM
Arnold is the REASON why i started lifting, hes my favorite bodybuilder of all time and hed kick any of the other pro's asses. IP: Logged |
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ripped to shreads2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 274) |
posted August 15, 2000 10:45 AM
after watching terminator i started lifting i was 12 and my best friends dad had a gym so we usto go there to work out IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 665) |
posted August 15, 2000 01:24 PM
Lee Haney won the Big O several times, right ? Look at it like this: he could never win in the seventies when Arnold was "numero uno". So i think if you could take Coleman or Yates and put them back in the early seventies, they would not have won against Arnold. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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heavywear Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted August 15, 2000 01:47 PM
no way. WHOLE different ball game today. Not apples to apples. Like comparing nascar today and the 70's... my $.02 ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 974) |
posted August 15, 2000 01:55 PM
There's no chance. But, if he were using GH, insulin, and all the AS that's being used in the sport today...He would definately be an Olympia competitor, maybe not a Mr. O, but he'd be in there. IP: Logged |
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MP5 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 270) |
posted August 15, 2000 03:06 PM
If you went back in time, and brought him back and placed him on stage he would get blown away. If is a different sport todat. He is still my favorite body-builder and always will be. True, if he had the machines and drugs of today he could still win some shows. IP: Logged |
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