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Swollen
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posted August 11, 2000 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
It is unanimously advised by �experts� and �gurus� to keep the minimum intake of protein to 1gram per kilogram of body weight. Bodybuilders recommend 1 gram per pound of body weight. And when bulking, increase that intake to as high as 2 or 3 grams per pound of body weight. Well, I have always had a slight problem with this. What happens to your muscles when you do apply heavy resistance to them and you don�t have that set number of grams of protein? Do your muscle not repair themselves? No. They do repair and in the act of muscle tissue repair, they grow. Now some might argue that without the proper amount of protein to simulate there would be an unbalance and you won�t grow. This is my theory; when sufficient protein isn�t available and muscles are still damaged (through weight resistance) the body will decrease Cortisone to levels suitable for repair. Think about it. If the human body didn�t have what it needs to repair itself then it would decrease the chemical composition of its muscular atrophy. A system of checks and balances, if you would.

Analogy:

If you can�t lift a bar you don�t just quit. You lower the weight on the bar so you are able to lift it.

Granted more protein would speed recovery and reduce post workout lactic acid retention, but the success of your workouts wouldn�t depend on it. This could simply be avoided by reducing workout frequency and/or intensity. This is why Anabolic Steroids are such a benefit to bodybuilders. They can maintain or improve workout frequency and intensity while consuming less, not limited to, but less protein.

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-Lunatic
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Swollen
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posted August 11, 2000 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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-Lunatic
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Lthrnk
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posted August 11, 2000 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lthrnk   Click Here to Email Lthrnk     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 84861003
Bump good reading

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Maverik
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posted August 11, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting theory. Makes sense to me. Peace...Mav

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Swollen
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posted August 12, 2000 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
I guess no one gives a shit. Bump, because I don't go down easy.

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-Lunatic
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bsjohnson
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posted August 12, 2000 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bsjohnson   Click Here to Email bsjohnson     Edit/Delete Message
nice read, i'll bump it.

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E2
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posted August 12, 2000 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Interesting, applly for a grant so we can test your theory!

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superdave
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posted August 12, 2000 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for superdave   Click Here to Email superdave     Edit/Delete Message
This could be a good debate, cuz I can hardly afford to buy all the food necessary for protein

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Swollen
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posted August 12, 2000 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
You know Dave, that is exactly why I thought of this. I just can't be fuckin' with steaks, chicken, tuna And supplements. Shit, I'm trying to get sponsered just to get the Whey. Thanks for replying.

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cockdezl
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posted August 13, 2000 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cockdezl     Edit/Delete Message
First, you are correct in the idea that if the "numbers" are slightly off you still will get a response, IF the total calories are sufficient. Since carbs and fats are protein sparing, then it is probable that repair and hypertrophy will occur. Even on sub-maintanance diets, hypertrophy can occur in the trained muscles, but this most likely comes at the expense of other protein sources, i.e. liver proteins and other muscles. Peter Lemon is one of the foremost researchers on protein metabolism and exercise and his studies show that for positive nitrogen balance, 1.2-1.7g/KG of bodyweight is sufficient. At the highest, a 200lb (91kg) person would need around 155 grams a day, but this is double what the RDA states is sufficient for this individual.

Even Duchaine began talking out against super-high protein diets in the end, stating that if the carbs and fats (esp. fats, since Duchaine really got into the anabolic effects of omega-3's) were sufficient, then one could grow optimally. I think that too many are extrapolating low carb diets with normal-high carb diets. While on low carbs, most increase their protein to account for the loss of calories and offset catabolism of muscle proteins. This is not necessary on normal carb diets, since carbs, and fats, will spare proteins for energy.

Finally, concerning the idea of reduction of cortisol as a means of offseting an inadequate protein supply, I would have to disagree. The best example is endurance runners. Many tend to have sub-optimal protein intakes and adhere to high-carb diets. Studies have shown that their cortisol/testosterone ratios are high, and most would agree they tend to look like shit, physically.

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