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Arnian Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53)	posted August 11, 2000 01:08 PM Any hackers out there? Do you know if you can "catch" a computer virus without downloading an file or opening an attatchment toan e-mail? Thanks guys.......Oh BTW (I hope I don't get the moderators mad),we had to move the website, if you want the URL you can e-mail me for it. Thanks. IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 11, 2000 01:51 PM Yes you can easily pick up viruses and trojans and many other things without opening attatchments, just being attatched to the net without a firewall or some security program running leaves you very very open to attacks. IP: Logged
Swollen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 214)	posted August 11, 2000 02:05 PM just being on the net can set you up to hackers, let alone programs like Scour or Napster were your directly linked to others. ------------------ "I make one fuckin mistake..." -Lunatic (The guy who injected Anabolic Steroids in the right side of his sphincter) IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 11, 2000 02:10 PM Scour yes, Napster would be tough. E2 answered your question right on the money. All you have to do is go on the internet with a fixed IP address (cable,DSL,T1 etc.) without a firewall and you're hacker meat. IP: Logged
aahepp Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 386)	posted August 11, 2000 02:18 PM Napster is a basic IRC chat windows with a graphical file transfe interface built in. Napster uses standard 6000-6999 port to go thru. Any machine, dial-up or direct (cable, DSL, T1) can have access gained to it. Every machine has ports which allows certian connection to come thru. I.E. 21=ftp, 23=telnet, 80=http, and so on. All they need to do is get your ip address. and then run a port scanner to see which port are open. Then the can access your computer and run certian programs and or files. Now granted this is not the most common thing because Microsoft has added security to web browsers and operating systems so that this type of attack is harder to do. Also if you do not have file or print sharing enabled then this is almost useless. The new back door is in outlook. The hacker can add various line to the subject line which will create a buffer oveflow in the program. I won't go into details about this but if this happens they can access your machine with any problems. How...once the buffer overflow happens. Outlook will then run/excute any program that was attached to the e-mail. It does not have to be an attachment. Binary code will work the same here, in the filed of the e-mail. How do I know this. Being Network admin for The state of Kentucky you get these little updates from various groups to help protect the network. I hope this help and didn't confuse people. IP: Logged
Hacker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 59)	posted August 11, 2000 02:43 PM Whats wrong w/ Hackers! lol IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 11, 2000 03:29 PM aahepp, Glad you said "almost useless".. disabling print and file sharing will not make your computer hack proof. I would hope that's not how you protect your network. For anyone who wants a quick security check of their computer try https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 IP: Logged
ralphe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224)	posted August 11, 2000 03:33 PM A little off the thread here but does anyone have experience with Black Ice Defender....we are being hacked by another person at work and we need to "prove" that it is him.......does this work or does anyone have a better solution thanks, IP: Logged
aahepp Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 386)	posted August 11, 2000 03:34 PM ulter, nope we do it diffretn. Our routers have nice firewall securtiy built into them and so does our out going proxy. We can monitor every port and see the amount of traffic that comes thru. When over usage of certian ports we get notified. Nice feature to have but expensive. IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 11, 2000 03:35 PM That'll do it. But Zone Alarm is free and will work as good. http://www.zonealarm.com IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 11, 2000 03:57 PM Hey ulter i tried that site on my comp, here's the nice little report it gave me Your Internet port 139 does not appear to exist! One or more ports on this system are operating in FULL STEALTH MODE! Standard Internet behavior requires port connection attempts to be answered with a success or refusal response. Therefore, only an attempt to connect to a nonexistent computer results in no response of either kind. But YOUR computer has DELIBERATELY CHOSEN NOT TO RESPOND (that's very cool!) which represents advanced computer and port stealthing capabilities. A machine configured in this fashion is well hardened to Internet NetBIOS attack and intrusion. Unable to connect with NetBIOS to your computer. All attempts to get any information from your computer have FAILED. (This is very uncommon for a Windows networking-based PC.) Relative to vulnerabilities from Windows networking, this computer appears to be VERY SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal NetBIOS networking protocol over the Internet. Heh heh, nice to know. E2 IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 11, 2000 04:02 PM E2, Did you try both the "test my shields" and "probe my ports"? IP: Logged
Rock_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 500)	posted August 11, 2000 04:05 PM I didn't think it was possible but somebody does!!! I just got an e-mail from someone who likes me a lot!!! It says "I LOVE YOU"...... Here wait a minute... Let me open it....brb ------------------ Unite the Brothers of Iron!! Rock On! IP: Logged
Rock_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 500)	posted August 11, 2000 04:08 PM JK... Even if you think your safe from attack and although some programs or equiptment will tell you that you are... Don't be fooled. That's all I can say about that, but trust me on this one. Peace ------------------ Unite the Brothers of Iron!! Rock On! IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 11, 2000 04:30 PM Yes rock man i know we're never really safe. Ulter, all my ports are stealthed, they didn't find any of them, well at least my comp won't respond to them. Well maybe not all my ports but the main ones are. E2 IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 11, 2000 05:09 PM E2, Cudos to whoever put together your firewall and/or computer configuration. Stealth is the only safe way to be on-line. IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 11, 2000 05:16 PM Thanks it was I who set it all up. Isoinokosterone - bug juice??? IP: Logged
Lthrnk Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63)	posted August 11, 2000 05:27 PM E2 I also tried the same sight and I'm operating at the same level stealth. It's nice to see it's kind of safe huh ------------------ Lifes too short to be small IP: Logged
2000maximaSE Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28)	posted August 11, 2000 09:39 PM I also came up in stealth mode and it was becuase I was using ZoneAlarm. IP: Logged
Yoda Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 369)	posted August 12, 2000 08:38 PM I wanted to say thanks to you guys, up until I read this thread it didn't even occur to me that I might be vulnerable. I tested my computer and sure enough Port 139 was open, so I loaded Zone Alarm and now everything is running in stealth!!!!! Thanks guys, this is Bros helping out Bros at its best!!!! IP: Logged
Diver Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 334)	posted August 12, 2000 09:02 PM yoda i had the same port 139 open...hmmmmmm...interesting IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 13, 2000 12:27 AM If you guys had 139 open then it must have said Greetings _______ with your computer name in the blank. That's pretty scary the first time. Yoda, Zone alarm is what I use on all of my computers it's great and the price is right. I only use Black Ice Defender on the my server. Note: Anyone running win 2000.. if you put the service pack 1 on your computer it may disable your Zone Alarm or Black Ice permanantly. For that reason alone I would recommend against the service pack. IP: Logged
Collegeboy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5)	posted August 13, 2000 12:49 AM you guys should also think about going through a proxy server. there are several ways into your computer such as back key loggers and so such. IP: Logged
thefantom1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63)	posted August 13, 2000 01:08 AM What do you guys think about the program called Lockdown2000?? Its suppossed to stop anyone from getting in to your computer through the net?? I am considering either that or the Zone one... IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313)	posted August 13, 2000 11:13 AM Lockdown is a good program. I used it before I found Zone Alarm.. but Zone Alarm is easier to use and is free. OK, I used the Lockdown with a crack so it was also free. Lockdown will block your ports but it doesn't run stealth as well as Zone Alarm. The reason you want stealth is that no one knows your there. They can't hack what they can't see. IP: Logged

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