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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 438)	posted August 11, 2000 07:58 AM Hey bros, help settle an argument between me and my girlfriend. I say that while on a diet I should stay away from fruit, because of the sugar. My girlfriend belives that all bodybuilders eat fruit, even when dieting. Who is right? IP: Logged
Gettinhard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262)	posted August 11, 2000 08:23 AM Bro, you are right cut the fruit to much glucose(sugar) if your going to eat it, eat it in the morning, fruit is healthy but very rich in sugar...i dont eat it when cutting. IP: Logged
supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 326)	posted August 11, 2000 08:51 AM Sure, it is high in sugar, but very high in fiber as well. I think the fiber factor outways the sugar. So yes, I think that eating a lot of fruit while cutting could be a plus! ------------------ What goes around, comes around! In Hoc Signo Vinces IP: Logged
Gettinhard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262)	posted August 11, 2000 08:56 AM bro, i disagree,,read any nutritional guidlines you can get fiber else were with out ingesting all that sugar.....sugar converts to fat why do that to your self.....think about it logically......fruit is not good after mid day while cutting....i eat a banana in the morning before i go to the gym it is good for energy,,,,that becuase of the sugar.......... IP: Logged
charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 468)	posted August 11, 2000 08:56 AM I am definately a huge fruit eater and it never hampers my gains although i am carrying too much fat! Guess i just found one of the reasons. THANKS! ------------------ *** K A R M A *** For every ACTION there is a REACTION ! IP: Logged
jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 438)	posted August 11, 2000 08:57 AM Yeah, that was her argument basicly she belives the positves outweigh the negitives. More input please bros. IP: Logged
Gettinhard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262)	posted August 11, 2000 09:04 AM charlie, i love fruit also, but you see my point...your carrying to much fat i bet if you cut out the fruit you will see a diff...i did i couldnt believe it...if i eat fruit i never eat it after 3:00pm....when i am bulking i eat it whenever... IP: Logged
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 306)	posted August 11, 2000 09:16 AM There's a big difference between grapes and apples for "fruit" and dates and bananas. Half a cup of dried dates have 280 calories with 8 grams of protein. As you probably know tomatoes are fruit. Look at the nutritional value of the particular fruit. IP: Logged
jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100)	posted August 11, 2000 09:20 AM If you are training hard and eating clean you can't tell me that a 100 calorie banana or any other piece of fruit is going to make you fat. Especially if on gear. IP: Logged
charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 468)	posted August 11, 2000 09:32 AM wE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT sorry shouting, talking about one banana. I take in about 2 apples, 3 bananas, 4 oranges and sometimes more EVERY day. This is probably too much then! I will try cutting down and see what happens! Thanks Gettinghard! ------------------ *** K A R M A *** For every ACTION there is a REACTION ! IP: Logged
Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 860)	posted August 11, 2000 10:16 AM If you gotta have it eat it after you train, or before noon, with breakfast preferably, and only one piece. I don't eat fruit while cutting either, too much sugar ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER IP: Logged
cm3504jm Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165)	posted August 11, 2000 10:47 AM I'm biased due to the fact that I am in the produce business and eat fruit all the time. The sugar in fruit does not convert to sucrose immediately. It takes time for that to occur and it does so gradually. There are so many nutrients, fiber and phytochemicals that you will be missing out on if you avoid fruit. You can't over eat, because the bulk fills you up a long time before you get to that point. Example= You would have to eat 26 lbs of grapes to get the same amount of fat that is contained in 1/2 cup of chocolate. Eat fruit.... IP: Logged
DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530)	posted August 11, 2000 11:00 AM My opinion... Fruit contains mostly fructose as the sugar. Fructose is not really used for muscle glycogen more so used for restoring liver glycogen levels. The liver can only hold about 100-120g of sugar so be careful! On mass or cut I usually eat 1-2 fruits a day except when on a keto diet. Too much fructose will lead to fat gains. IP: Logged
supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 326)	posted August 11, 2000 11:08 AM So fruit will make you fat, huh? That is the craziest shit I have ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged
supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 326)	posted August 11, 2000 11:09 AM I eat about 8-10 pears a week and am very lean! So I guess if I stop this I will be fuckn' shredded to pieces......hmmmm thanks gettinhard, I learned something new today! I will post before and after pictures for sure....I can't wait!!!!!! Thanks gettinhard, your the best!!!! [This message has been edited by supraman (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged
jarabbit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100)	posted August 11, 2000 11:23 AM I've read a few articles on the fruit issue and one thing that stood out was that Apples were the worst. This was from a sucrose to fructose ratio and it was the most unfavorable, I think Apricots were the best? I would sum it up like this: Fruit does offer many benfits (listed already) and will fill you up some so you may(probably) will eat less calories elsewhere. I would, if cutting, limit it to before 5pm and try to have it after training when your body really needs it. Don't have more than 2 a day if cutting. I would also add that the only ones that should be so concerned about this are ones preparing for a competition as they are on such a fine line. IP: Logged
susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 220)	posted August 11, 2000 11:27 AM bananas are ok thats it dont eat apples etc too much sugar the best way to cut is eat oats for breakfast the white rice the rest of the time for your carbs maybe have 1 banana a day for fibre other than that i wouldnt while cutting. IP: Logged
DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530)	posted August 11, 2000 11:39 AM supraman: Like I said this is my opinion only... If you are shred then you are either eating a deficit of calories so it is impossible for your body to store fat from fructose since it's used as energy or you have a kick ass metabolism. Fructose is not the fuel of choice for your muscle glycogen so I choose to use other carbs instead. By the way I didn't came to this conclusion by pulling it out of my ass. I came to this conclusion by reading the keto diet from lyle mcdonald as well as through email with this nutritional guru and reading lots of chris aceto's stuff as well. [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged
krzysiu013 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 522)	posted August 11, 2000 12:38 PM its better than a whopper with cheese. ------------------ 6 gauge in my tongue, 22 gauge in my ass... IP: Logged
Chip N.Dale Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2)	posted August 11, 2000 12:51 PM Supraman...maybe you're not very carb sensative...or, as mentioned before, not getting enough calories otherwise.. Susthead...fruit is a MUCH better choice than WHITE rice...why not just have some WHITE bread, with some WHITE sugar? At least fruit has fiber to slow the glycemic response.. IP: Logged
rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 236)	posted August 11, 2000 02:04 PM To me it really depends on the individual and what you are trying to achieve. if you are dieting for a show then limit fruit to maybe 1 per day (early in the day) or none at all. if you are dieting to just look good at the beach then a couple of pieces a day is not going to hurt you as long as the rest of your diet is filled with quality food. some people that have a fast metabolism can eat fruit right up to the show. it all depends on the individual. IP: Logged
chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 829)	posted August 11, 2000 02:22 PM Long answer: Fruits contain sugar, some more than others. The idea of cutting is to lose bf. The carbohydrates interfere with that process by causing a rise in insulin levels with a commensurate drop off. The more simple the carbohydrate (high glycemic index) the more quickly the insulin level will rise (spike) and drop off. When it drops off it continues to fall to below its normal level. When this happens you are susceptible to fat storage. If you could cause a gradual rise in insulin levels and a gradual fall off, the insulin level will be less likely to fall below its normal levels. Thereby, preventing a slowing of the metabolism and the greater likliehood of fat storage. This is accomoplished by using foods that are low glycemic index, which are mostly dark green veggitables. The idea behind cutting is to rid fat from body by a deficit in calories. Hence, if we can limit the amount of carbs coming into the system we will force the system to look elswhere for energy. Ie, it will look to the carbohydrate, fat, protein storage. By intaking say only 25 gms of carbs a day the body will quickly run out of its standard fuel and start to burn fat. (remember, you must eat fat in order for the body to use stores of fat for fuel) By keeping the protein levels up to say 2-3 times the body weight, the body will burn this consumed protein for fuel, leaving the muscles alone. Therefore, anything that contains any type of sugar is to be avoided while cutting. Stick to brown rice, or white, and oatmeal, all before noon. Short answer, do not eat fruit while cutting. chesty ------------------ SEMPER FI Chestys Homeworld IP: Logged
jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 438)	posted August 11, 2000 02:28 PM Thanks for all the replys, I am cutting up for my first show, it is still a couple of months off, but will be here before I know it I'm sure. ChestyII thanks for that reply that is exactly what I was thinking. IP: Logged
chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 829)	posted August 11, 2000 02:47 PM Good luck bro on the contest. chesty ------------------ SEMPER FI Chestys Homeworld IP: Logged
DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530)	posted August 11, 2000 02:49 PM Good Post Chesty! I like your style! IP: Logged
FinalChapter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3)	posted August 11, 2000 04:08 PM I can't cite the actual study but I've read where 2 groups were fed the exact same amount of calories. One groups calories came predominantly from carbs while the other was more fats and protein. In the end both groups came out exactly the same. I don't necessarily believe you won't get fat from eating nothing but sugar but the study does have some merit. Rather then looking solely at you carb intake you must also look at your total calories. I for one eat tons of fruit(1.5 lbs of grapes, 2 oranges, 1 mango) a day. I even eat alot right before bed. It has not slowed down my fat loss one bit. I've gone from a tested 10% to 8% in 4 weeks of moderate dieting and ECA. IP: Logged
Rock_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 500)	posted August 11, 2000 04:18 PM Another thing to remember is that fruits hold natural sugars as opposed to processed. The body deals with natural sugars much better than processed. So you must put that in the equation too. ------------------ Unite the Brothers of Iron!! Rock On! IP: Logged
rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 236)	posted August 11, 2000 06:06 PM Like i said before it all depends on the individual. since you are doing a show i wouldnt eat any and stick with complex, low glycemic carbs that chesty suggested and taper as the day goes on. IP: Logged
chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 829)	posted August 11, 2000 07:17 PM Each persons tolerance to any type of sugar will be different. But in the end the lower the gylcemic index the better off you will be. Remember dieting for a contest is like preparing for war. "The more you bleed, sweat and suffer now the less you will in the battle". Stay away from fruits while getting ready for a contest. They contain fructose, which will screw with the insulin levels, not as drastically as sucrose, but it is about the second worst sugar you can consume pre-contest. chesty ------------------ SEMPER FI Chestys Homeworld IP: Logged
D007 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 670)	posted August 11, 2000 07:26 PM keep in mind that some fruits such as grapes contain not only fructose but a lot of glucose too. IP: Logged
the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 691)	posted August 11, 2000 11:02 PM Not all fruits have high fructose levels. Grapes, for instance, have a high glucose content, and oranges are higher in sucrose. As far as "natural" versus "processed" sugar, sorry, but your body doesn't know the difference. I would definitely monitor total sugar consumption while preparing for a contest, but you don't necessarily have to cut them out completely. IP: Logged
The Dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249)	posted August 12, 2000 08:12 AM Hold on...so many people say eat low glycemic carbs. Uhh...most fruits have a lower glycemic number than say sweet potatos, brown rice, and defintely white potatos. Now if you're going to say fruit is bad, fill in the whole picture and stop throwing the glycemic index around when it doesn't fit. I had never heard the fructose and liver glycogen stores relationship before with it also being a poor source for muscle glycogen storage. That is interesting... ------------------ Be alert...the world needs more lerts. IP: Logged
Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 500)	posted August 12, 2000 08:30 AM The fruit issue has been addressed in excess, I would like to comment on the efficacy of low carb intake diets for prolonged periods. A recent seminar hosted by APEX shed light on the catabolic properties of prolonged sub 50g carb intake diets. Anything longer than a week of this garbage and your begging for significant muscular atrophy. 2 weeks out and my carbohydrate intake hasnt dropped below 500g. As with everything in life, people and results very. ------------------ 215LBS of Twisted Steel and Pure Sex Appeal! http://dannysgymstuff.homestead.com/Dannyshome.html IP: Logged
The Dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249)	posted August 12, 2000 08:46 AM Yeah, I've never quite understood the ultra-low carb diets. They seem a bit extreme unless you need to get freakily ripped for a show. It just may be me, but all I have to do is pull back my calorie intake a little and, given time, I'll get ripped. A little extra cardio is needed of course (but not a lot) and I don't decrease protein intake much (or at all). As I said, maybe its just me. ------------------ Be alert...the world needs more lerts. IP: Logged
musclemail Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 67)	posted August 12, 2000 09:40 AM everyone knows that apples are a good way of cutting naturally so i say keep eating fruit IP: Logged
Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 191)	posted August 12, 2000 09:48 AM ChestyII pretty much explained the science behind it with the glycemic indexes. So the key here is to eat fruits that have a low glycemic index. Peaches, pears, grapefruit, and granny smith apples all are low on the glycemic index charts. Stay away from bananas and grapes while cutting. I personally eat grapefruit when I can because of all the fiber they give. IP: Logged
rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 236)	posted August 12, 2000 11:13 AM Definately stay away from raisins when dieting. IP: Logged
xrciseink Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 231)	posted August 12, 2000 12:24 PM If you are competing, stay away from the fruits......fibrous carbs, clean protein, and lots of water and lots of small meals. IP: Logged

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