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ripped to shreads2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 242)	posted August 09, 2000 01:16 PM ok i know thats what the search button is for well iam one those who uses hcg and hcg only, well i can see how the clomid is more beneficial ewen when taken thru out the whole cycle eod any of you bros have had a better experience with clomid then hcg let me know, IP: Logged
Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 862)	posted August 09, 2000 01:26 PM Here is my take on the situation, I am not going to inject that shit into me until they come up with a synthetic version even then it won't be necessary, clomid works fine, on top of that with clomid you can maintain throughout the cycle, I am not sure you wanna use hcg throughout your cycle. Plus it is a pill, I inject myself enough, anytime I can take a pill that isn't going to fuck up my liver versus and injection I am going with the pill ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER IP: Logged
ripped to shreads2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 242)	posted August 09, 2000 01:30 PM thanx IP: Logged
300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2650)	posted August 09, 2000 03:00 PM I only use HCG on big cycles, but it's not a replacement for clomid. Clomid should be first priority. ------------------ 300 kleen IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 09, 2000 03:11 PM The problem with hcg is that is causes your body to produce a ton of estrogen as well as test, it also will do nothing to help re-initialize your HPTA if it's been shut down. You can prevent your hpta from ever shutting down with 50mg eod clomid during your whole cycle. Then a post cycle regimine to ward off all the post cycle estrogen. If you're taking hcg then you should be taking it along with another anti est like tamoxifin or arimidex. Stick with clomid. IP: Logged
DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530)	posted August 09, 2000 03:21 PM E2 or anyone else I just want to make sure. Clomid has a long half life right? 5 days? So can I take it every 3 days. I am doing this now because I am not using lots of gear only 750mg of sust per week. IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 09, 2000 07:57 PM Actually the half life is longer than that, i was reading about it in the mercx index a little while ago, i think it's about 9 days, but i'm not 100% sure on that. IP: Logged
Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 862)	posted August 09, 2000 08:07 PM If that is the case why the 50mg eod? ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER IP: Logged
Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted August 10, 2000 02:04 AM Not to disagree with a mod, but HCG is better than clomid. It restores your receptors. If you are gyno prone then clomid is a better choice. Clomid conflicts with a/s. ------------------ << The body wants to go to equilibrium>> IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 10, 2000 08:16 AM Liquidmuscle, where on earth did you get that information??? It's pure crap, how on earth does clomid interfere with steroids??? Tell me by what mechanism does hcg "clear" up receptors?????? God sometimes i don't know where the hell people come up with this shit, and then to think that they run around preaching it to others, no wonder there are so many people running around fucking themselves up with juice. IP: Logged
Deltzilla Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49)	posted August 10, 2000 08:39 AM There is currently no known mechanism for receptor regeneration via medications. The only thing that accomps. that is heavy training and a complete cessation from AS for awhile. I would love to know where how HCG does this though, it would be the "magic bullet" I'm lookin' for. IP: Logged
Ffactor Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70)	posted August 10, 2000 12:58 PM Lqdmscl, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Check your facts bro. IP: Logged
HelmsmaN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51)	posted August 10, 2000 01:40 PM Lqdmscl, Anabolics 2000 (the book) find it and read buy it online...http://anabolics2000.com IP: Logged
gamer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 367)	posted August 10, 2000 01:56 PM E2 I'm with you on this one bro. People post out of their ass and try to claim it as fact rather than an uneducated opinion. This drives me crazy. This guy claims stuff I've never even heard of and I can't agree with anyone that hcg is better than clomid. All hcg does on it's own is delay the onset of the post cycle (natural test) crash. It does nothing to prevent it as when the hcg leaves the system the testicular axis has not been reactivated in any way. As far as I'm concerned you might as well take low doses of test as it's going to have a similar effect. (an effect of not working) Guy's lose the old school views when they are proven wrong, don't act like the good old days were so much better than today! Reminds me of my dad. IP: Logged
Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted August 11, 2000 03:45 AM E2, take it easy bro. I was told by the best (C.G) The advice didn't come to me easy, it costs me some money. The way I see it, the guys doing it for a living and he trains the best. HCG does restore your receptors. I don't have time now to get into it, maybe later. Long explanation. Sometimes, things look very good on paper, but on application, its a different story. If you feel strongly about it, then just tell me and I will stop answering all HCG and clomid questions. You have my word on it! ------------------ << The body wants to go to equilibrium>> [This message has been edited by Lqdmscle (edited August 11, 2000).] IP: Logged
BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 332)	posted August 11, 2000 04:05 AM Who is C.G. If he know more than E2 I would love to have him as my best friend. Overall I will go with E2 because unless I do it for myself He is the next best thing to a lab rat that I have. E2 For president.................. ------------------ Lift Until You Die....... IP: Logged
media Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133)	posted August 11, 2000 06:36 AM I have read a tons of shit about the gear and accompanied drugs - HCG, Clomid, Nolva... But there is a lot of things that stayed unclear to me in spite of all that research. I agree that the all the knowledge we depend on is mostly anecdotal. So, who is C.G. and if you really can offer some form of proof for your statements, I'll jab my self to death with the HCG. Otherwise, I won't be very happy if I end up with big tits, limp dick and with no balls. Later IP: Logged
bstrong Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 358)	posted August 11, 2000 08:19 AM Deltzilla, a lil about how HCG workes: "the action of hcg is virtually identical to that of LH, allthough hcg appears to have a small degree of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) activity as well. it stimulates production of gondal steroid hormones by stimulating the interstitial cells of the testis to produce androgens". IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 11, 2000 08:33 AM Lqdmscle if you have any evidence at all that hcg will clear up your receptors, i'd be very interested in seeing it, however you'll have to produce something legitimate, not "bob told me so". There is no possible way that i can see hcg ever clearing up your receptors. If it's a long story and you have real proof of it, then write it out. Lqdmscle the facts on clomid and hcg use are well known to most people on this board, i'm sorry to say that you're completely wrong about their use. IP: Logged
Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted August 12, 2000 04:49 AM E2 Don�t take this as an insult, Just bear with me. I�ll start with the basics. We hate fat, estrogen and any catabolic agents. Gaining mass without gaining fat is hard to do. Boosting testosterone without raising estrogen is also hard. Its bad enough some chemicals aromatize. Women take less a/s than men because their predominant hormone is estrogen. When they introduce a little testosterone to their bodies, they make gains. The first cycle is the most gain because of the shocking factors that our bodies see. When we take HCG, we raise testosterone along with estrogen. Thus, we are balancing our hormones. This is where the receptors come into play. Keeping a certain amount of estrogen in the bodies will trick our bodies into thinking we are testosterone deprived. Hence, the next cycle will boost our gains. I am not saying to take HCG to point of growing breasts, but I am saying that HCG need to be taken to level out the hormones. Plus nolvadex is there to compensate. I know this is not the board�s view on HCG, but one should try it anyway. After all, we are experimenting. Try this next time. Go on a cycle of your choice without the clomid of course. During mid cycle, if your nuts shrinks, then take a shot of HCG(5000ius). Take another one next week if you still feel testicles atrophy. At the end of your cycle, two weeks after, take a shot (5000ius) per week for about 2 or 3 weeks. Take your break. Then the next cycle will shock your system again. I know this all sounds like B.S but at least give it a try. For people who have access to HCG only, they should not be afraid to use. Clomid use during an a/s cycle is a good way to confuse your bodies hormones production. With all the testosterone(synthetic) in your body, it will adjust. The next time you give some more tests, your body is just gonna say, I recognize this shit. So, when you raise estrogen, and then add testosterone, your body will be in shock. The reason we take breaks from a/s is to give our bodies time to adjust. HCG speeds up that time. There�s more to this but I have a hard time explaining. ------------------ << The body wants to go to equilibrium>> IP: Logged
Superoid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16)	posted August 12, 2000 05:22 AM Would clokid be more effective than Andros?, or is it only to bring test production back up? IP: Logged
Corgan26 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64)	posted August 12, 2000 07:02 AM I'm an idiot who just doesn't understand that if i keep this up, somone will come knocking at my door. [This message has been edited by E2 (edited August 12, 2000).] IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3707)	posted August 12, 2000 09:54 AM Ok now you said "Keeping a certain amount of estrogen in the bodies will trick our bodies into thinking we are testosterone deprived" Where on earth did you get this information, it's completely wrong, so you're saying that my estrogen levels in my body will affect my testosterone levels???? Makes no sense at all, why not just take estrogen shots then to trick out bodies into producing test??? Secondly you say that having this estrogen in our system will make our bodies think that we are testosterone deprived, well you said that we'll be taking novaldex at the same time, thus blocking the estrogen in our system at the receptor site, so tell me, how the hell does your body know if there is added estrogen in your body if they can't bind to receptor sites and cause any effects??? Your body can't see free estrogen in the blood stream. As well for your theory to work we have to assume that the body tries to keep a certain estrogen/testosterone homeostasis going. Which doesn't happen, otherwise when we're taking huge amounts of test, say 2-3gms a week for long periods of time, say 6 months(i know guys who've done this), why don't out bodies respond to this incredible amount of test and suddenly start producing HUGE amounts of estrogen to keep the est/test level at some ratio????? Your theory makes no sense and has many many holes in it. IP: Logged
Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 336)	posted August 12, 2000 10:11 AM Ripped2- HCG raises the hell out ones estradiol levels, that is the reason for avoiding it. Clomid (as you likely know)will not only get your test levels back up but also to serve as a site specific (breast) anti estrogen. ------------------ Your_Moms_Kneepads: Contributing to the moral decay of America since 1971. IP: Logged
Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted August 12, 2000 04:59 PM Ok E2. You can always poke holes in any theory. My point was to keep the body shock. The guy who took 2-3grams of test, his body already recognize the huge amount of test. He needs to keep the body guessing. What I meant about nolvadex was that you can take it if you get gyno. No, taking estrogen shot won't produce tests, that's not what I said. You misunderstood me. Am saying you need some estrogen in your system. Then a/s is introduce to the body you'll get better results. You don't want fat, but you need some. You don't want estrogen, you need some also. Balance of hormone is the key. When you throw your hormone out of balance like raise tests levels thats when growth starts to happen. Have you ever talk to some people and say steroids are not bad for you but their mind is made up. HCG has use and its purpose. It is not as bad as the people claim it is to be. I have used HCG since I started to juice. Maybe I am lucky. I know many people can benefit from it. Thanks for taking the time to read. I will step aside. No hard feelings, I am going to leave clomid and HCG topic alone. ------------------ << The body wants to go to equilibrium>> [This message has been edited by Lqdmscle (edited August 12, 2000).] IP: Logged
WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1421)	posted August 12, 2000 09:48 PM I would love to join in on this...but that edit on the assholes post that E2 did...still has me laughing my ass off... WCP ------------------ driven by testosterone adrenaline and pheromone crowning glory of creation super-human incarnation IP: Logged
Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 255)	posted August 13, 2000 03:54 AM I forgot one thing E2. Since Warlobo trains at the mecca once a month, I think he knows who C.G is. Thats where I got my information from. ------------------ << The body wants to go to equilibrium>> IP: Logged

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