posted August 08, 2000 11:36 PM            

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I'm going to Greece this saturday for about a month and I have some $$$ to drop. I never juiced before and have some knowledge around the topic thanx to the board.
I am 25yo, 160lbs, 5.10 and been lifting for 3 years. Dunno my exact bodyfat % but its really low, always has been. I don't have any allergies or health problems whatsoever.
I am going crazy trying to put a cycle together. I have the opportunity to get whatever I want but it makes it so hard with all the choices I have.
Want to minimize side effects, water retention, therefore keep the cycle highly anabolic and as low androgenic as possible.
My big question is...do a deca-primo cycle, do a test-primo cycle, or do a test-deca cycle and then do a primo only cycle for cutting???? Or go for something totally different?
I have the patients to take all the time I really need and I want more permanent and solid gains.
I know some people are against test for a first cycle and I'm very sceptical about it too. But the thing is I would really hate a limp dick after using deca. On the other hand test is high androgenic and I want to minimize water retention as well as the other possible sides of test (ie gyno).
If I go with deca will clomid solve the deca-dick potential? Should I through in some test too and how much?
I need help badly especially now that I'm going to Greece in a week, cause it would really suck to go there and buy the wrong things.
What would you guys do? What would you bring back?(besides lots of clomid and nolva)

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posted August 08, 2000 11:50 PM            

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I don't know exactly what's readily available in Greece, but definitely go for some Test. I did an Omnadren only cycle for my first and experienced very little water retention if any at all. The test will also negate the penile problems if you decide to go with deca.

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posted August 09, 2000 11:11 AM            

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I don't think you can get anything in Greece anymore without a prescription. From what I've read, they've locked it down pretty severely in the last couple months.

There's a few guys from Greece on the board. Maybe they have some input.

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posted August 09, 2000 11:41 AM            

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everything is OTC. The only problem is the shortages.

Se poia poli pas Kosfer???

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posted August 09, 2000 11:47 AM         

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It seems that every european country is shutting down selling AAS without prescription. I think the Olympic committee has held some serious conferences with Greece and Spain =) Well, I already wondered what's the reasoning behind selling gear without prescription. It's a wonder it lasted this long.

And I thought I could go to Greece to buy some gear... If the only source for Europeans will be the Russian black market I think that I'll rather stay natural =)

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posted August 09, 2000 11:51 AM         

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Oh, sorry... I think I should have waited for skg's reply =)

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posted August 09, 2000 12:14 PM            

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its still avalible in greese not in spain you can get deca sustanon there and should be able to get primo clen etc.. just look arround

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posted August 09, 2000 12:18 PM            

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Good to know. Glad I bumped it.

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posted August 09, 2000 02:04 PM            

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I'll be in athens and then all over Greece. My situation hasn't improved though with the posts so far....Common guys help I'm running out of time here.

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posted August 09, 2000 07:49 PM            

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BUMP!

Tell me what you think about my debate please......deca-primo, test-primo, deca-test and then primo only??? HELP!
Common its a good question to think about....compare and contrast.

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posted August 09, 2000 10:29 PM            

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For the gains you describe above, I'd go Primo/D-bol or Deca/Winny tab (both w/ Clomid).

I'll bump it for ya for more opinions.

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posted August 10, 2000 03:08 PM            

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Sorry to bust your balls but you're not helping me out bros say something flame if you wish. You people dont know the answers, is it a dumb question? Whats going on?

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posted August 10, 2000 05:28 PM            

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test/deca cycle, dude.

Put some size on with your first cycle.
like 500mgs test a week, 300mgs deca.
get clomid for the afters(100/50/50)

then at 185lbs, check and see if you want to get cut, or go on another bulking cycle.

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