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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 920)	posted August 08, 2000 07:55 PM Has anyone else read the Steroid FAQ in this month's PUMP magazine? They talk about shooting test prop in the outsides of your pecs for localized growth...They also talk about mixing propionate with synthol, etc for localized injections. ------------------ ~~~ ajc1977 ~~~ Visit my member website at http://profiles.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 481)	posted August 08, 2000 07:57 PM temporary localized growth. Good lord your piercing that area with a needle and flooding it with a lipid. Damn right its gonna swell, but not like a sythol or pgf2a injection. Go ahead and try to inject prop in your outer chest. Your gonna be in some major mother fucking pain. ------------------ 215LBS of Twisted Steel and Pure Sex Appeal! http://dannysgymstuff.homestead.com/Dannyshome.html IP: Logged
300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2632)	posted August 08, 2000 08:00 PM T. Steel is right. ------------------ 300 kleen IP: Logged
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 920)	posted August 08, 2000 08:01 PM The pain and swelling are a given (especially as bad as prop stings). I'll pass on the pgf2a: Pain and the shits several times per day...No thanks I was just wondering if it can actally help that particular muscle grow. Maybe even a "muscle memory" type thing where if the muscle was gorged with oil for a few days, it would help that muscle gain real size...This kind of sounds like something a stoner would say huh? But I'm still curious. IP: Logged
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 920)	posted August 08, 2000 08:03 PM Oh yeah...My chest doesn't need any help. I'm thinking more of the lateral heads on my triceps. IP: Logged
Consultant Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 67)	posted August 08, 2000 08:05 PM I agree it is only swelling. And the pain is not worth the short lived gain. IP: Logged
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 781)	posted August 08, 2000 08:05 PM Right. Stick with the pgf2a for localized growth. I wouldn't stick prop in my chest for money. Unless it was like $50. Shit... okay... $10. But still I wouldn't suggest it. IP: Logged
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 781)	posted August 08, 2000 08:07 PM Oh yeah.. and by the way... one of my major points of injection with pgf2a is the lateral head of my tri's. The growth there is INSANE. Looks good. IP: Logged
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 920)	posted August 08, 2000 08:19 PM Okay Big Brother Val you fucker...Now you've got me thinking ...How many times per day do you do it and for how long? IP: Logged
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 781)	posted August 08, 2000 08:30 PM For great localized growth... you can shoot a muscle group 3 times a day, 3 days a week. I actually only shot the lateral head of my triceps once a day, 4 times a week. And the long head twice a day, 4 days a week. My dosage has cut back drastically, now. I only shoot the lateral head twice a week now. And the growth just doesn't stop. I'll bump up my old post called: My PGF2a experiment, so you can check out the dosages. I really am very satisfied with it. My tricep development has really come a long way on it. Almost an inch and a half of growth in the arms, bro. I really dig it. IP: Logged
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 920)	posted August 08, 2000 08:35 PM So how long do all the sides last? Would I be ok to do this at home after an arm workout and then again a day or two later? ------------------ ~~~ ajc1977 ~~~ Visit my member website at http://profiles.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 781)	posted August 08, 2000 08:41 PM Oh yeah. I took a lateral head tricep just this afternoon on my lunch break. I'm leaving right now to lift arms... then, directly after my arm workout... I'll shoot 3/4 cc into each bicep, and each tricep (long head this time)... then do it again on chest day this Friday. The side effects vary. Like the shits and stuff are easy to avoid by simply taking down a little pepto about 10 minutes before the shots. THe pain lasts around 2 hours. But is only intense for about 30 minutes. WHen you train that muscle group though... DAMN CAN YOU FEEL IT!!! Really helps to focus on the muscle being trained. And I'm sorry to say, but it seems my post on my experience with pgf2a has been deleted. But it went a little like this: There's been more questions on the board lately as to dosages, injection sites, side effects etc. The purpose of this post is to focus mainly on those same topics with my personal experience. When I first started the PGF2a, I wasn't sure what to expect. Not many people had reported using it. It was the articles my Dharkham that made me the most interested in it, as I was looking for localized growth in the arms. Not something that's gonna keep me growing all around such as d-bol, test, etc... I had a very specific goal... bring my arms up to speed. I started off very weak. The first day, I only took 1/4 cc. in each bicep. And that's it. The pain was pretty intense. The following day, I took 1/4 each bicep twice that day. Again... intense pain, but that's about it. Gradually I increased the dosage... and the # of shots... making sure the increase wasn't too drastic, ensuring my body could handle the changes. Well, I worked up to the point, where on days I injected arms, I shot 3 times in each bicep and each tricep... I did that 4 days a week, totaling 48 arm shots per week. Combine that with the 18 shots I was taking in the shoulders, and that was a whopping 66 shots per week. Biceps I would rotate from long head to short head every other shot, and triceps I'd shoot long head, lateral head, then long head again. Delt shots... I took one anterior, one posterior, and one lateral in each delt, each day. My schedule was as follows: Mon: Lift:arms/pump chest and shoulders shoot: chest and shoulders Tue: Lift:back/pump calves shoot: shoulders Wed: Lift:legs shoot: chest and shoulders Thur: Lift:chest and shoulders/pump arms shoot: arms Fri: Lift:Calves and forearms shoot: arms Sat: Lift:Rest shoot: arms Sun: Lift:Rest shoot: arms My lungs started feeling funny. Even after all the other effects, like pain and everything had gone away... I still couldn't take a deep breath without coughing... it felt like I was trying to breathe underwater because of the pressure on my lungs. This concerned me, even though I understand the concept as to why this happens. So I decided to cut back bigtime on my injections. Reason #1 being the issue with my lungs, Reason #2 being I wanted to see if I would lose any of my gains when I really cut back on dosage. I started shooting arms only twice a week, and shoulders once a week. I only shoot the muscles on the days I train them. I shoot more at once... instead of .75 cc's each group per shot, 3 times a day, like when I was taking the 66 shots per week, I was now taking .5 cc per shot 4 hours before my workout, 1 full cc in each muscle per shot after my workout. That's still only half a cc less than I was taking per day before. Now my schedule looks like this: Mon: Lift:arms shoot: arms Tue: Lift:back/pump shoulders shoot: shoulders Wed: Lift:legs shoot: nothing Thur: Lift:chest and shoulders/pump arms shoot: arms Fri: Lift:Calves and forearms shoot: nothing Sat: Lift:Rest shoot: nothing Sun: repeat Quite a change in volume of shots. The whole point of this drastically long post was to say that even though I dropped my dosage considerably, I am still getting AMAZING pumps, and excellent growth. I have not slowed down at all. I have not lost ANY size whatsoever since dropping down, but I have seen a considerable increase in strength. My lungs no longer feel that insane pressure all day, and I don't feel sick 7 1/2 hours out of the day. I have lost 1 inch on my waist, and gained an inch and 1/4 on my arms in 6 weeks of usage, and gained 6 lbs. I'm very, very pleased with it, but would not take my dosage up to where it was before again. So take this not as the best way to cycle it... just as my experience. I personally can't see any reason to take it as much as I used to be... as I am seeing the same results now. Who knows... maybe 6 cc's a day, with a few days rest in between is just what works best for me. Any other questions... be sure to let me know.... oh yeah... did I mention that I LOVE THE STUFF!?!?!? IP: Logged
300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2632)	posted August 08, 2000 09:42 PM Val, How can you stand that stuff? It put me away after only a week. It kicked my ass left and right.....I did calves. If you can stand it then go for it bro. ------------------ 300 kleen IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1457)	posted August 08, 2000 10:45 PM He's fucking nuts Kleen....All there is to it...Damn, I would never consider such and experiment...hahahahahahahaha...It's all good, ain't it Val!!! ------------------ It's All Good Bro's!!! Ranger IP: Logged
thermo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 155)	posted August 08, 2000 11:31 PM sounds like somthin steiner would do IP: Logged
THE APE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317)	posted August 09, 2000 01:29 AM 1-1/2"ON YOUR ARMS?I'm fricken all over this shit after my next cycle. IP: Logged
Pharm Animal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10)	posted August 09, 2000 01:42 AM I don't know about you, but my ass is pretty big...hahaha Seriously, my shoulders got real big after doing shots there...try maxigan 3 days a week for one cycle...yipee! ------------------ Take care, P.A. IP: Logged
scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 665)	posted August 09, 2000 01:50 AM YEAH IM SHOOTING EQ IN MY DELTS ALSO. ------------------ ----------------------- Weights before dates Bros before Hos IP: Logged
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 781)	posted August 09, 2000 11:43 AM Kleen... that's why it put you out, bro. Calves are insane. I only tried 'em twice thus far... and pulling myself on my elbows to the bathroom so I can shit, because I can't stand up due to the pain... I didn't like that either. I would only do calves again if I did it before bed... It's hard to take... I won't say it's not. But with my growth, and bodyfat I'm burning... it's well worth it. And Ranger... it's not insane. It's poor. If I could afford another cycle right now... well... it's my time to start. This stuff is a shitload cheaper than a cycle for me.. so I might as well go for it until the money situation improves. Anyway... if you wanna just use it for the lateral head of the tri's... that'd be cake. You could shoot there twice a day, three times a week... and only need one bottle to last you 2-3 weeks. But once you see the increase in development... I'm sure you'd wanna shoot elsewhere as well. IP: Logged

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