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Flex Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:52 AM
  
Hey bros, some of you might have noticed over the last year that i sometimes like to incorporate some religious ideals in some of my posts...I was just wondering if their any other practicing christians out there who battle with the use of A.S. and their faith? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 114) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:18 AM
Yea bro, I feel ya. On one hand you're thinking, "man, I sure can be a good witness in that even a bowed up bodybuilding dude can be a Christian..." I mean its like I feel that I can lead others to Christ because people think that I"m cool... But its also illegal. But does that make it sin? Well, yes and no. Is drinking alcohol a sin? Yes and no. The bible clearly says not to get drunk. But it doesn't say anything about drinking. Jesus drank wine. It was alchoholic. Paul even instructed Timothy not to just drink water but to drink some alcohol every now and then (1Tim. 5: 23). But here is where it becomes a sin. Read this:1 Cor. 8:1-13 The main theme is in verse 13. You will find the answer to your question in these verses. There were people who were eating meat that had been sacrificed to other gods. Most thought that it was a sin to eat that meat. Paul said that there is nothing wrong with eating it. But if some one is going to look at you and say, "he's not a Christian, look at what he's doing." then you are in sin. You are causing your brother to fall. People will say, yea, he calls himself a Christian but he does AS. And they will think, "he tried to live for Jesus and couldn't do it, I'm not even going to try." You could severely damage your witness in this way. He said doing it was fine as long as you didn't do it around them. Not in public but in your own home where they won't see. I believe that this applies to AS. If there is no way to find out, then its ok. But most everyone is going to think that its sin. That doesn't mean that whatever you do in secret is not sin. There are some definate sins like fornecation and drunkeness and doing your body harm that are strictly lain out. I believe the verse about the sacrificed meat stood for things that aren't precisely lain out in scripture, such as alcohol. Thats my .02... Hope that helps. P.S. You have a conscious. If the holy spirit tells you not to do it, listen to him. IP: Logged |
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XCYTER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:20 AM
No thanks IP: Logged |
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big dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:29 AM
Everything in moderation. US law and Gods law are not the same. IP: Logged |
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Natural Wonder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 423) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:33 AM
There's this huge preacher at my gym. There's no way he's natural. I don't think he's doing anything wrong. Most of my friends just laugh about it. He's a great guy too. Always willing to help out even the bad boys like me, I like him IP: Logged |
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Chris Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 130) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:41 AM
I with you to bro, I just finished reading a book "In the Pursuit of Holliness" In it, it talked about(one of many things it talked about) if we are to ever live in Holliness we must understand and know that every sin greives God. Even our littlest sins are sins against God. The entire time I thought about AS...I've done one cycle and have two more planned out (winter and summer) I have no real point to this other than I also struggle with this in my life also...(breaking the law with AS) Its good to know theirs others out their. I enjoyed your post StewMeat. IP: Logged |
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Fast Eddie Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:42 AM
There cant be anything wrong with bettering your body.....Strong body=strong mind. I am Roman catholic, and not all too religious, however I do look into things like tao-ism, and have had to listen to some crazy speaches from born agains, so I have a pretty good understanding of where you are comming from. The only way I think guilt would be involved, is the notion of cheating, but everyone assosiated with this lifestyle accepts the useage, and knows everyone they compeat against uses too. Drinking is of course not a sin in itself, but drinking to get drunk is deffinately a bad thing. That I think is sinfull, but some sins are more acceptable I think(in our eyes, not the eyes of god).....I should not get into this, I can go all night. Conclusion; no religious related problems with gear use here. IP: Logged |
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GENETIC_FREAK Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:52 AM
I pray the cops never catch me and I stay healthy. Does that count? The Freak IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 418) |
posted August 08, 2000 02:50 AM
Sorry bro, no problems here. IP: Logged |
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MIKAI Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 185) |
posted August 08, 2000 03:26 AM
bor's, Fuck Religion, I will go to hell...! You cant try and justify use at all...! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 241) |
posted August 08, 2000 03:52 AM
I'm with Mikai Fuck it. I'm Here to grow I don't hurt anyone by what I do. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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A-BoMB Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51) |
posted August 08, 2000 03:53 AM
Two things come to my mind. One is in Romans' where we are told to make ourselves subject to the Authority of Man because God is the head of all this authority(justice) and it pleases him and furthers his cause for us to do so. He says this because if you do what "the Man" says, they will respect you and if you do not, like myself, they will persecute you. So, God is giving divine wisdom here rather than a direct commandment. "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars...:" The other thing is a verse that I have always known, but I do not know where from: For whatever you do not do for God, you do against him. There is no grey area, you are either black or white; pregnant or not pregnant; doing something for good or for bad(in Gods Eyes). But, I dont think AS should be banned, there is no reason for it. I do not think that God passes judgement on people for running redlights or jaywalking because they are not evil in nature, as is the case with Juice. However, no matter how small the sin, God in his divine perfection can not bear the sight of it. Therefor, a man walking the path with God would probably not take AS because they are illegal. I think that the worst thing about using steroids is that is shows a lack of faith in God and a defiance to his will. If you want to be huge, pray for it, if God see's fit to bless yoou with it good for you... he is defineatly capable of such a feat (Samson). If you have asked yet not received and decide to take matters into your own hands then you are living for yourself and not for God. I am tired of rambling... this is just a question of concious... I for one question myself daily about my use... maybe one day I will be so Big so Strong and so Fast that I wont need them anymore and I can be at peace aboout this. Untill then... TIME TO GROW. Peace and God Bless. IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted August 08, 2000 05:58 AM
This is not even a religious issue. This is a cultural/moral issue. Society sets the ground rules for what is moral-immoral. Sometimes common sense is thrown out the window when moral norms are created. Such is the case with AS. Our society says it is illegal. God does not say it is illegal. We all know that society makes it illegal so that we are "protected from ourselves". Therefore it becomes idiot-proof where basically those who abuse have spoiled it for everyone else. Someone said earlier that Jesus drank wine but didn't get drunk. Think of steroids the same way...use them in moderation with common sense and self-control and no sins are being committed. IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 366) |
posted August 08, 2000 10:01 AM
Titus 3:1 = be subject to principalities and powers (governments), and to obey magistrates (judges)......... 1 Peter 2:13 = Submit yourselves to EVERY ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether it be to the king as supreme, or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers Ecclesaistes 8:2 = I counsel thee to keep the kings commandment, and that in regard to the oath of God There are others but will stop with that. Rationalization does not change the fact that bible over and over again says breaking the worlds legal laws is a sin. If you are going to be a bible type Christian who believes the Bible to be the inspired word of God, then you have to believe breaking your kings(leaders) laws is wrong. But you can be the type of christian that believes there is some sort of god thing, and maybe a jesus thing, but its really not that important - then you can do steroids. Then there is the option of saying, Okay I believe it God but who cares? Life at its best - sucks. I am going to do what I want. Or you can decide the bible through its 26+ translations is not the inspired word of God at its best, and at its worst is a collection from various mono theistic middle eastern religions and folk believes that was put together in a book a few hundreds years ago by some European/Roman monks who actually edited out a large number of works, and pulled in some dubious literature from less then inspired sources (song of Solomon) and called it "the word of god". Yet despite this, Churches are essentially good places and you may still be want to be associated with the "christian" faith because of the works they do. But if you are the Bible type of Christian, and believe Jesus is the way-the truth- and the light, then it clearly states in the bible to obey your countries laws. Even Jesus, when unjustly arrested, meekly submitted to the arrest, trial and punishment. He did not fight or sneak against those in authority. And that is the Bible Christians example. I am trying to help you be true to yourself, and not fool yourself. However be aware there are many options for those of the "christian" faith. IP: Logged |
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Vanguard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted August 08, 2000 10:09 AM
Ever hear of Muscular Christianity? Grew out of the 1800's. Its just an extension of that. IP: Logged |
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Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 493) |
posted August 08, 2000 10:10 AM
Do a search on the net about the Power Team. They travel around the country and display thier strengths in Churches to impress and minister to the young. There is no way that these guys don't juice! IP: Logged |
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Flex Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:13 PM
Excelent guys, thanks for the responses, even those of you not interested particularly still were for the most part respectful, good luck bros.. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Gettinhard Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 217) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:19 PM
this is crazy i was thinking of this last night!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am in no way a religious freak...i am catholic!!!!!!!!!but i do believe in a higher being....and i thought the other night if this is just an other reason for me to burn in hell........i dont know i figure i am bettering myself and i no the risks, so its fine......but i have my own beliefs that god put you on earth to enjoy life....i dont believe in sitting in a church and warshipping a political god.......so lets say i have my own god and he juices and slays HO's..with me............OH well just me opinion.. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 881) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:20 PM
I am with you bro...I don't always act it but I should. I feel as long as I don't hurt my body and use sensibly, I'm OK, even though it's against the law...The law isn't always right. Mikai's post proves once again his mentality...He's reckless and ignorant - The type that will end up giving us a bad name. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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