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 "high deca dosages"
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cal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:51 AM
  
well i was thinking of doing a cycle with deca (nor200) ...do you guys think that 500 mg of deca is too much? i've done a gram of testo...no real sides so i don't seem esp susceptible to sides (week 8)...anyone done more than 500? any difference in gains from 600 and 400?...or is it like more is just wasteful when it comes to deca?...i don't want to have any leftover deca...! IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 897) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:58 AM
You just have to watch out for the effects of Progesterone (another "female" hormone), which Deca can convert to. Progesterone can give you gyno, and to my knowledge, NOTHING can be done to prevent it. I don't think Arimidex or Proviron will help, and Clomid, Nolva, etc. are only estrogen blockers. If any one knows otherwise, please tell us. I wouldn't want to go over 400mg deca per week. At this point, I would probably throw in 200-300mg of primo with that....and of course a little sustanon. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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X-Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:02 AM
You can do high doses of deca if you stack it with winstrol. Winstrol prevents Progesterone. IP: Logged |
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B_Funk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 324) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:04 AM
you're probably going to have problems with the unit. Can you say "deca-dick"? IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1473) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:34 AM
some can take a gram of nandralones a week others get side effects at 400- it is really hard to tell how you will react because of the fact that the nor-testosterones can (and often do) act as synthetic progestins- with varying receptor affinity. This means that Gyno is a definite possiblity for some users- it is wise to keep a anti-progestin like winstrol around just in case. BTW- nandralones do not convert to progesterone- they themselves act as synthetic progestins (the effects of which on the human body are considerably different than natural progesterone)- just look at the side effects of female birth control- which commonly relies heavily on synthetic progestins. Some being completely progestin based (ie norplant and depo-provera)- the side effects of which often being loss of sex drive and increased breast size peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3594) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:42 AM
Most people can use up to 600mg/week without too many problems. I personally would not recommend using more than 400mg/week. I would also like to say that "Deca-Dick" is very rare and is not a big problem. I have been on many Deca only cycles and have never had a problem. In fact, I have mostly been sexually over-stimulated during those cycles. If you are highly concerned, then listen to Macro and use Winstrol along with the Deca. Macro, Progesterone's effects on women are not necessarily identical to the effects on men. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1473) |
posted August 07, 2000 03:31 AM
2THICK Quite true, I was merely alluding to the effects that synthetic progestins have on women as opposed to natural progesterone- the effects of synthetic progestins are unpredictable because they are NOT true progesterone- their binding affinity and expression may vary considerably from individual to individual. This of course is also true with "natural" hormones, however the variance as far as I have seen and read is not nearly as great. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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johndoe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted August 07, 2000 08:27 AM
I am using (last six weeks) 1gr of Test with 600mgs of Deca with no sides. I also have been using 40mgs of Dbol(bionabol)to get the party started. I am now tapering down the Test/ Deca and adding 600mgs of Winny for the next couple of weeks. Feeling good and not even the slightest hint of "Deca Dick." I do need to add that I have been taking Clomid (EOD) as cheap insurance. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1019) |
posted August 07, 2000 09:53 AM
600mg of winny a week gets quite expensive after a while... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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johndoe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted August 07, 2000 10:11 AM
Yes it does! ;> ) It is amazing how fast a 20ml bottle disappears. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 775) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:07 PM
I was taking 600mg of deca a week and it destroyed my appetite. Once I lowered it back to 400mg my appetite came back more to normal. chesty ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 609) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:17 PM
A bottle of 20 cc Winstrol disappears fast, but a bottle of 30 cc PGF2a disappears even faster and costs more. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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THE APE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 312) |
posted August 07, 2000 02:29 PM
Not to start an arguement here bro,but I have yet to see 20 mls of winny for cheaper than 30mls of PGF2.You can get the PGF2 for $60.00 per 30mls and I havent found winny cheaper than that at 20mls. IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 509) |
posted August 07, 2000 03:52 PM
Yeah the winstrol is twice as much. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1297) |
posted August 07, 2000 03:58 PM
MACRO AND 2THICK Read X-mans post. Is that completely true, I have thought that the winny does help but is not a complete "preventer" of progesterone. I know it helps but if one is prone to gyno from progesterone - he may in fact get it even when on winny/deca. Is that true? What about dosages to keep your self safe any idea? Like say 1:1 (eg 400mg deca / 400mg winny)? I am interested as my next cycle will mostlikely have higher doses of deca. Thanks IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 609) |
posted August 07, 2000 04:05 PM
You are right i miscalculated, 60$ for the PGF2a and $45 for the 20 cc Winstrol (or $67.5 for 30 cc). But a bottle of PGF2a lasts only for a week or so. And the Winny at 2 cc's EOD for 3 weeks. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1297) |
posted August 07, 2000 04:50 PM
bump up for 2Thick or Macro. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 897) |
posted August 07, 2000 05:44 PM
How much winstrol (orally) would be recommended with 400mg deca and 200-300 primo? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1297) |
posted August 08, 2000 10:19 AM
last time, anyone? IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 736) |
posted August 08, 2000 11:11 AM
If you are refering to winny tabs i would say no more than 25mg's a day. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1297) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:06 PM
No, I was reffering to what X-man said here: quote: I know it helps, but 'prevents' is a damn strong word, wanted to see if anyone knew something about this, specifically mac or thick - but any info appreciated! Slopain IP: Logged |
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THE APE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 312) |
posted August 08, 2000 12:18 PM
I'll bump this also slopain,as I'm one of those progesterone"pussies"who gets sides off of even 200/weekly of deca.LOL!!But man do I love that stuff-If only I figure out the way to combat those sides.2Thick or Macro any suggested dosage range here? IP: Logged |
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gearseeker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 122) |
posted August 08, 2000 05:17 PM
Slopain - hows it going bro? Winstrol does pretty much prevent gyno. I get gyno very easy on deca, anadrol and fina. When I add 50mg eod or more of winstrol my gyno is reduced, whether Im on other juice or not. I would say it not only prevents but helps reduce it after it has formed. I posted a while back about an experiment Ill be doing this year. Im going to see what level of winny keeps the progesterone receptor busy. Im guessing around 10-20mg per day. Anyone have experience? IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 579) |
posted August 08, 2000 05:23 PM
Damn, Jeff rys, I wish I could get winny for $45. I pay almost three times that. Now I am really depressed. Peace...Mav IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1297) |
posted August 08, 2000 05:24 PM
Long time no speak Gearseeker! Hope all is well. Thanks for the input, damn I would love to believe it. I have everything covered for my next cycle but still deciding whether to throw in the EQ or Deca (got tons of both) the only reason Im waivering is b/c of progesterone, I wish they had a damn nolvadex for Progesterone (ru486?) Thats good news though. Keep us posted on the self experiment. Slopain IP: Logged |
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X-Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted August 08, 2000 05:40 PM
I guess prevent is a strong word but it sure does help IP: Logged |
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