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Monster
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posted August 05, 2000 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
Well, for years now Ive been saying Im gonna do a short cycle, and I never seem to.
Ive been 100% clean for 7 months now and I decided I'll do a couple short ones as my "comeback"! I came off a cycle kind of quick and hard 7 months ago and have withered down to about 240lbs, 210lbs of which are actual muscle (that makes 30lbs of SeXy FaT!!!)
A couple of notes before I lay it all out...
#1. Ive always been a sustanon man, and probobly always will be.
#2. Im a heavy user (1000mg or more a week)
#3. Im not a fan of orals. I feel that when you use heavy doses of androgens, orals are kind of "lost in the mix" in that how is 50mg of dbol gonna peek its head above water when the water is a 1000mg lake of sustanon. So in that respect, why should I tax my liver with this 7aa that wont really make any difference?
#4. Ive never used anti-e's, mainly because I havent needed them. I dont seem to be prone to heavy conversion or virilization. Plus, I have always used my "patented" cycling techniques, which reduce the need for them.
So, that being said, here is my cycle, which figures out to about 30 days (counting the deesterification of the last injection...

Week #1.

Day 1. 250mg of sustanon
Day 2. 250mg of sustanon
Day 3. 250mg of sustanon
Day 4. 250mg of sustanon
Day 5. 250mg of sustanon
Day 6. 250mg of sustanon
Day 7. 250mg of sustanon
* in addition, I'll be using 10I.U. of
Humalog after each workout *

Week #2.

Day 1. 250mg of sustanon
Day 2. 250mg of sustanon
Day 3. 250mg of sustanon
Day 4. 250mg of sustanon
200mg of deca
Day 5. 250mg of sustanon
200mg of deca
Day 6. 250mg of sustanon
200mg of deca
Day 7. 250mg of sustanon
200mg of deca
* in addition, I'll be using 10I.U. of
Humalog after each workout *

Week #3.

Day 1. 250mg of sustanon
200mg of deca
Day 2. ~nothing~
Day 3. ~nothing~
Day 4. ~nothing~
Day 5. 100mg of deca
Day 6. 100mg of deca
Day 7. 100mg of deca
* in addition, I'll be using 10I.U. of
Humalog after each workout *

Week #4.

Day 1. 100mg of deca
Day 2. 100mg of deca
Day 3. 100mg of deca
Day 4. 100mg of deca
Day 5. ~nothing~
Day 6. ~nothing~
Day 7. ~nothing~

Week #5.

~Nothing~ BUT! That sustanon will still be deesterfyiing, so Im technically still "on".

Week 6.

~Nothing~ But again, I'll still have a final ester doing its thing, so again, Im still "on"... I'll most likely be dropping the Humalog now, as I dont like to use insulin while off. Near the end of the week I may start using Clomid.

Week 7.

I should be just about clean by this point, but if I decided to use the Clomid, I'll continue it on for another week or so...


So thats it...
I'll be eating big (but smart and clean), and training 5-6 times a week, one body part a day...

Its time to get some of that size back. I miss it! I was looking at a picture of myself at 235-240lbs and it was depressing...

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LEGEND
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posted August 05, 2000 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEGEND     Edit/Delete Message
why everyday? thats a hell of a lot of pin holes! couldn't you just take 2-4 shots per week? just being curious not critical.

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Bchemist
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posted August 05, 2000 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bchemist   Click Here to Email Bchemist     Edit/Delete Message
That is one of the most original cycles I have ever read. If the first two weeks went on for any longer, I would say you are insane. But instead I say it is brilliant. I don't know if I am ready to try something like that, but I say go for it. Good luck, and PLEASE keep us posted.

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Maverik
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posted August 05, 2000 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
This is just my suggestion but For a short cycle I think it would be wiser to use a faster acting AS. Like propionate or some tren. I don't know about this cycle but it is definitely different. I would think you would have better results with a fast acting AS. This way your recepors would be clean quickly and you could hit another short cycle in 4 or 5 weeks. Peace...Mav

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Monster
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posted August 05, 2000 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
Im trying to make the most out of the different desterification times of the sustanon, then ride it out with the deca, which is more predictable (and mild).

Legend: The reason for daily is purely a matter of the esters. Using 500mg of sust as a guidline, 500mg of sust gives you only 60mg of prop that kick in in the first couple days, then youre waiting for the next ester to kick in (at mabye the 6 or 7 day point). The prop is dead by then and you actually only have 120mg of the next ester active, then it is gone and the next kicks in.
If you follow what Im saying, my cycle makes more and more sense. Im guaranteeing a steady continuous flow of test in my system. The doses are actually safer than doing 750mg a week. At 750 a week, in the 2nd week you end up having some seriously high doses in you. The 2nd weeks shot of 750mg puts 90mg of prop on top of 120mg of phen.prop..
So the 3rd weeks shot has you with 90mg of prop, 120mg of phen.prop. and 120mg of iso.
I dont know if you follow me, but I have a couple of Excel spreadsheets showing sustanon dispersion and how you can actually have WAY more sust in you than you might believe (if I can find them).
So my cycle has a lower, but steadier and overall more effective stream of androgen in my system. So 1750mg a week doesnt even come close to what 750mg a week at one pop does to you (sides wise) since there is never an extremly high amount in me at once. Plus, it isnt lasting long... kind of "hit it and get it".
Then the deca comes in as a "taper" of sorts. Simply because its more predictable in deesterification, and it has the added bonus of blocking some cortisol productioan and joint relief (which is critical after some drug-induced balls-out heavy lifting)

Maverik: Yeah, optimally Id use prop or tren, but I cant get any from a trusted domestic source and I dont do overseas

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Maverik
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posted August 06, 2000 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
Well bro, it looks like you have put alot of thought into it which is good and it looks like it might work pretty good. So give it a try and let us know how it goes bro. That is how people find out what works is by trying something new. Good luck. Oh and BTW, you can buy the fina kits online. Since they are made for cattle they are legal to buy and sell without a script. The conversion kits are also pretty easy to get. Peace...Mav

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Monster
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posted August 06, 2000 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
I thought about the fina kits, but Im veeeerryyy lazy when it comes to anything but the gym... so it seems like a lot of work (heh heh).

Im still hoping to find some prop...

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Monster
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posted August 06, 2000 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
PLUS! I'll be doing cardio every other day for 45 minutes in the A.M.

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Monster
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posted August 06, 2000 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
Im also gonna be trying my hourly eating plan. Every one whos followed this has made great lean gains. I actually lost a considerable amount of bodyfat at the same time... Ive never tried it with insulin, but it'll be interesting.

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Maverik
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posted August 06, 2000 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
Hourly eating plan? Care to elaborate on this Monster? Peace...Mav

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DocJ
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posted August 06, 2000 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
I posted a similar "theoretical" short cycle about 3 weeks ago but it must have been lost in the thread...keep us posted Monster, I'm considering trying this type of cycling myself.

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Monster
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posted August 06, 2000 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
As simple as I can put it, I was splitting up my calories (say 5000-6000) over however many hours Id be awake.
First I figure 3 traditional meals (like eggs, chicken and rice, ect.) throuout the day. Then post work out supplementation (post insulin shot carb overcompensation), and split the rest up hourly.
I was taking in something like 20 grams of whey and 25 grams of carb powder every hour.
Between that and the cycle I was on, I gained boo-koo muscle and lost an ass-load of fat (heh heh, ASS-load indeed).
I have it all documented in a notebook I keep, I log all my cycles and workouts and meals. But this particular gear notebook hasnt turned up since I moved a few months ago. Iknow its around, I just have to find it....

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the truth
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posted August 06, 2000 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the truth   Click Here to Email the truth     Edit/Delete Message
It's a well thought out cycle. I'm in total agreement with your concept of front-loading for short cycles, but I would personally stop injecting any slow-acting esters by day 10 and continue with shorter-acting injectibles until the last day of the cycle. I've done this a few times and had good results, but I've since gone back to longer cycles (I'm in week 3 of a 12-weeker).

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Monster
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posted August 06, 2000 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
the truth: yep, I may stop the sust at 10 days... if I had prop Id feel more sure about it all. The deca isnt really "fast acting" but its all I can get so Im kinda stuck... I may just stop the sust at 10 days in and jump on the deca right away...

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Monster
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posted August 07, 2000 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
Well, a friend came through, and it looks like I'll have prop for the cycle. So I think its a go! I will of course keep you all updated on my progress, and like always I'll be keeping a day to day log of everything for posterity. Mabye I'll put the log up on my site when Im done...

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Krusher
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posted August 07, 2000 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krusher   Click Here to Email Krusher     Edit/Delete Message
When will you be starting? I've always said that I will give short cycle a try because I gains mostly in the first 6 weeks. I'll be watching for updates.

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Twisted_Steel
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posted August 07, 2000 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel   Click Here to Email Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 754174
Why use humalog it far and below inferior to Humulin-R. Reconsider your insuline choice, brother.

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Monster
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posted August 07, 2000 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
I have to argue that point about Humalin-R. Humalog is faster acting and WAY more predictable, and therefore controlable. Especially since eating fat while the dose is active can cause the fat to be immediatly uptaken by the body and into the fat stores. Ive used Humalin-R in the past and didnt like the fact that it was in my system for so long. Especially since it'll be only post workout. I just want to use it to shuttle post workout carbs and protien and be done with it. With "R" I'd take it and wait for up to 45 minutes before it was active, then a couple hours later it would peak.
With Humalog, it hits me within 15 minutes, and its all the way done in less than 2 hours.
I really prefer the faster half life for the sake of clearing it through my system.
But hey, thats just me...

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