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anibolism Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 143) |
posted August 05, 2000 06:53 PM
  
Flame me if you want to, but does it seem that we have lot of kids on this board that are taking juice and don't even have a clue how to train yet.I don't know about the rest of you but i trained for about 7 years drug free before i touched anything,and loved every damn minute of it.If any new to the weight room people read this do yourself a favor and learn to love this way of life before you do any gear.If not all you will end up doing is losing everything you, gained after you stop using juice because you will lose your motivation to train if your not on.Use gear as a way to take your training to a new level,not as a reason to start.If any else agrees with me bump this to the top for all of the newbies to see.Train hard and then some......... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jakked007 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted August 05, 2000 06:54 PM
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liltank Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted August 05, 2000 06:56 PM
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted August 05, 2000 06:57 PM
Judge not everyone by some ignorant children for I am 19 and I am very well informed about all aspects of BB. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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anibolism Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 143) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:16 PM
Big jay i'm not judgeing anyone,it just annoys me to see some kids using juice who have no idea what there doing training or drug wise.I'm going to guess that you play sports and have probably been training for awhile,so your decision to use gear was to take things to the next level,not as a reason to start right.Hell, i trained for about 2 years before i really learned to feel the muscle when you train it.I just say that people should love working out first and juice second.You can take all the gear in the world but it does no good if you don't know how to train.And i don't just mean the young ones,this opinion of mine is directed toward anyone just getting started in our world... ------------------ [This message has been edited by anibolism (edited August 05, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Bchemist Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:34 PM
I tried to get gear for the first time when I was 19 and I honestly am glad that I didn't score until I was 25. IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 150) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:38 PM
Depends on the reasons... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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HackN2it Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 95) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:51 PM
I have been training on and off for the past 6 years and I really think I'm gonna juice, hell I have it laying around the house, but I'm just taking my time. I'm 26 and am glad that I didn't do it then. Hack IP: Logged |
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bb4424 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:54 PM
young kids can hurt their potential....I waited and glad I did....bump.... IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:54 PM
I'm with ya. I get sick of these posts: "I just got my gear in! Now I'm gonna be able to beat up everyone on my block!" That makes my stomach turn. Its too easy to get juice off of these boards. The first night that I started posting I got six sources. No one on here knew whether I was 14, 15 or 39... I think some of us here need to be a little more careful. I wouldn't reveal a source to anyone unless it was clear that they knew what they were doing or they had at least 50 posts. Even if you bump fifty times, that gives you plenty of time to be able to educate yourself enough to know at least how to start and that its not that simple... Kids on 'roids hurts everyone. IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 243) |
posted August 05, 2000 07:56 PM
I believe a lot of kids in this board, but for everything else, am not sure. Training without juice is a waste of time if you want to be big. Definition of big= Top pros physique ------------------ IP: Logged |
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HelmsmaN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted August 05, 2000 08:00 PM
Anibolism, well put!! B IP: Logged |
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bbman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted August 05, 2000 08:48 PM
Well I am in my thirties. Just started the juice thing but have spent months researching it and all it takes. Spent even longer learning to workout and get my butt to the gym everyday, consistently. Building up a good foundation of muscle and working out with weights. Learning to live it as a lifestyle and not as a passing whim or fad. I, personally, don't think that anyone under 25 should be juicing. That is just my own opinion. Don't knock you if you do, but discourage you if you don't and are thinking about starting. Under twenty-five just seems to young to me and especially nineteen and under. Your body hasn't even stopped growing yet. Just seems that you are hurting yourself more than helping yourself if you juice that young. But then again, what the hell do I know? I am a newbie. I got to agree with the other guy, you shouldn't juice until you are knowledgeable. And you shouldn't juice to beat up the guys on the block. That is just plain dumb and immature. That is like buying a gun because you think that people will then respect you and treat you like a man. Peace bros. From the old newbie. IP: Logged |
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bigpun Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 41) |
posted August 05, 2000 08:56 PM
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mystic_hormones Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249) |
posted August 05, 2000 09:15 PM
its also wrong when guys say I just got my sus and deca then they go off about tapering, duration of use, what to get to end cycle, and I wouldn't even be surprised if anyone has ever ordered gear then ask how to cycle it as far as dosages and all the other stuff. then some say should I use nolvadex in the middle of my cycle and crap like that. I believe that if your gonna juice know everything you need to know and have your cycle planned to the last second.I still have a few years to go before I juice and that is because I know I can build more naturally and that is what a lot of people skrew up on. As far as when to start I think some one with a good foundation should be able to start around 20 because that is when the body starts its decline on natural test. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Monster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted August 05, 2000 09:32 PM
Putting the gear aspect aside, I have to strongly agree about training. Every year I look back and see how much my training has improved! Looking back at 7 years of training from the 8th, I see things I do now that I should have done the year before, and Ive spent a good amount of time with a couple NABF pros training. But I look back and say "Damn!". I may have thought I was feeling the muscle, but I know now I wasnt. As for "instinctive training", dont even attempt it till you have better than 5 years of continuous training under your belt. I thought I knew things, but looking back I see I didnt know SHIT! Gear wise, you really need a couple years of training before you start. Otherwise youre wasting money and time... IP: Logged |
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pharmaguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted August 05, 2000 09:33 PM
honestly and wholeheartedly agree with you bro. I started at 19 and wish to hell that I would have waited at least a few more years before I decided to juice. It took my awhile to get my shit together; but who knows how much progress I might have made if I didn't have to fix all the fuck-ups I made out of ignorance. Hindsight is a such a virtue. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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anibolism Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 143) |
posted August 05, 2000 09:40 PM
If nothing else i look back on all of the juice that i wasted not knowing what the hell i was doing and it makes me sick.If i knew then what i know now................. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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quenepo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 998) |
posted August 05, 2000 11:00 PM
I give you a Bump,is my opinion too,you have to wait until 21 to 25 to begin to use gears. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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LEGEND Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 270) |
posted August 05, 2000 11:05 PM
i bump this bro, and i have to bump monsters reply too......my thoughts exactly!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted August 06, 2000 01:28 AM
But It is not just kids or people my age who believe it to be the magic pill. I also see people of wrinkles speaking about how when they start their cycle is going to be easy as hell to drop 20 pound of fat and gain 30pounds of lean muscle, This is said by alot of older people who I see in the gym about 1 or 2 times a week go in and do a couple sets of arms and cable cross overs. AGE DOESN'T MATTER IT IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HOLD. IF YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOURSELF IF YOU ARE READY TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF USING ANY SUPP. Do all of you agree? One more qute "Its not the age of the car but how many miles its been driven" This is one of my favorites. peace to all. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Simon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted August 06, 2000 01:45 AM
Bump it up, because I always say you cant build anything without a solid foundation. IP: Logged |
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HARDBALL2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted August 06, 2000 01:56 AM
TOTALLY...BUMP THIS SHIT...I WANTED TO JUICE SINCE I WAS 17 YRS OLD...BUT I WAITED UNTIL I WAS 21...AND THAT WAS FOR ATHLETIC REASONS....TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND ALL...THAT IS WHAT MADE ME WANT TO START TO JUICE!
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 410) |
posted August 06, 2000 02:01 AM
Live and learn. It is up to the vets to offer advice from there triumphs to their tribulations. The onus to heed lies with the newbies who choose to use or abuse the advice given.
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Swollen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 198) |
posted August 06, 2000 02:17 AM
I would like to bring up another point that many overlook; The business end of Bodybuilding and Anabolic Steroids. I believe anything worth doing is worth doing right. And to juice you should have your food, protein shakes, MRPs and access to a gym. It is very hard to buy these things as well as AS cycles running at least $200.00 a pop when your a kid. It is not very realistic. School full time, Part time job and a workout session realy cramp the schedule. You will probably only make enough money to get minimum cycles which would contradict what I said about anything worth is worth doing right. Granted there are some guys who can pull all of this off, and anyone who can do that has my OK to juice. Training experience is ALWAYS a factor also. As well as knowledge. Don't be a Lunatic! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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EVIL Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 06, 2000 02:24 AM
BUMP BRO!!!!! IP: Logged |
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anibolism Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 143) |
posted August 06, 2000 10:25 PM
All i'm trying to say is working out isn't just for cosmetic reasons,If your real you learn to live and love this shit.It becomes a way of life for you,and i believe the disipline you learn from the weights spills over into life....... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 451) |
posted August 06, 2000 10:48 PM
I got news for you jay, at 19 you dont know shit. Because at 22, having seen what I have at this point I still dont know shit. Ya know ------------------ IP: Logged |
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wizardnor Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:04 AM
BUMP!! i am 37 years old i been training for a year or more i gain only 30lbs i am not on the juice. but i think i need to fine some body to hook me up soon, i am a hard gainer. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Lthrnk Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:12 AM
BUMP One must learn to love it first then seek wisdom the chemicals will come later. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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wizardnor Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:21 AM
BUMP!! bigjay81 knowledge is power and you got lift that weight. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1018) |
posted August 07, 2000 10:21 AM
i'd rather be 19 and know how to train right, and eat right, and juice right, than be 25 or 30 and just start working out with some juice...because in the end the 19 year old will be the one competing... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted August 07, 2000 10:42 AM
As for twisted shit don't fuck around with people you don't know. Its a good way to make yourself look like an asshole. And Jay Z Thanks for your input I believe that you are correct. Twisted Metal you are the reason this shit is brought up you really show your true age. If you don't know that much about juice don't try to bother me with it. I am informed you are not get over it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 520) |
posted August 07, 2000 11:12 AM
BigJay you stupid shit! You are flamming Steel and he is a competitor. He knows a shitload about juice and he meant that he doesnt claim to know everything about juicing. He trains with national level bodybuilders! C'mon get a clue! IP: Logged |
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cunroe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 76) |
posted August 07, 2000 11:40 AM
Wizardnor,
quote: Not flamin' just asking, you've been training for ~a year, you gain 30lbs., and you think your a hardgainer??? Later, ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Wigler Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 07, 2000 11:57 AM
Couldn't agree more with the thoughts that are being conveyed on this thread... The problem with these kids on the board is there are looking for instant gratification, the major problem that we have in society today. IP: Logged |
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MIKAI Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 184) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:21 PM
Hi, Intresting im 21 and have been traning for a couple of years solidly. Some people see these guys there same age just getting bigger and there not even training as hard or watching what they eat..! so after much annoyance they seek another way of getting bigger AS is open to use..! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:24 PM
DREXX I flame only when people throw the shit at me as before don't fuck around. This isn't the place for it. Come here to learn and Grow. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 663) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:34 PM
Excellent Fucking Post, I agree 100%. IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 520) |
posted August 07, 2000 12:45 PM
BigJay I myself have no prob with your original post. I have a prob with you flamming someone who knows 100 times more than you and that as lots of experience with gear and bodybuilding in general. No one here likes to see a vet getting flammed! Especially when that vet contributes greatly to our board... Anyway, it's over... IP: Logged |
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ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 240) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:03 PM
Yeah BigJay...I am twice your age with twice the experience but I wish I was 19 again. Because when I was 19, I knew everything too. It was great being so smart. Also your clever use of the words fuck, asshole, and shit in a 5 sentence paragraph shows you are also a proficient linguist. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 879) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:21 PM
If you read FLEX, AS is what makes those diets and workouts actually work... If you were to go and train the way they say and eat the way they recommend, you'd get fat and overtrained. But I agree 100% that you must accept the entire lifestyle and pay your dues naturally, before you start. IP: Logged |
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Fast Eddie Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 33) |
posted August 07, 2000 01:39 PM
Bump, agree 100%. 14 year old ask me for gear and It is obserd. If they ate right and trained properly, they would grow like they would not beleive. Wait until your diet and training is perfect, and you reach your genetic potential. I know guys who have never juiced, and have 19 and 20 inch arms and are cut. If you dont need it, dont use it. Hey big jay, you from the rocks are'nt you. IP: Logged |
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BigJay81 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted August 07, 2000 03:09 PM
Yes I am from the rocks board. Everyone read the post this was not started by me. When someone tells me I don't know shit That is wrong and it won't be stood for. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Goat Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted August 07, 2000 03:34 PM
I am 17 years old. I dont juice for the looks of it, I juice for performance on the playing field. I think thats a good reason. You only have one senior year of football, so why not make the best of it. I want to play to the best i possibly can bc this dictates the rest of my life---Colleges dont scout huge 35 yr old men, they look for kids in highschool. Why wouldnt i juice?? IP: Logged |
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wizardnor Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted August 08, 2000 01:03 AM
no flame here cunroe in my teen years & 20's i lost weight. i allergies & asthma with a little bad luck i'll loose big time, right now i think i hit a wall my gains stop & start to slide back. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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