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pete
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 6)
posted August 03, 2000 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pete     Edit/Delete Message
Please kindly critique the following cycle for a 1st time user.

Week Sus250 Deca Dbol(Thai)
1 250mg 100mg 30mg
2 250 200 30
3 250 300 30
4 250 400 25
5 250 400 25
6 250 300 20
7 250 200 15
8 250 100 15

Proviron 50mg day x 10 weeks from start of cycle.
Taper with Clomid after cycle for 21 days and keep some Nolvadex handy just in case.

Any input will be very much appreciated!

Thanks!

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aky
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posted August 03, 2000 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aky   Click Here to Email aky     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 45428686
dont do the dbol for more that 5 weeks and you dont need to taper the dbol... sust is ok at 250 (if this is your first cycle) but people will tell you to up it to 500....

CLOMID 1TAB EOD DURING CYCLE
CLOMID 2TABS ED FIRST TWO WEEKS POST CYCLE
CLOMID 1TAB ED THIRD WEEK POST CYCLE

I'm doing a similar cycle here it is...
DURATEST EQ D-BOL
WK1 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK2 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK3 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK4 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK5 750 300 6 A DAY
WK6 750 300
WK7 500 300 --------
WK8 500 300 --------
WK9 --- 300 --------
WK10 --- 300 --------
WK11 --- 300 --------
WK12 --- 300 --------

hope this helps.....

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horn_monos
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posted August 03, 2000 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for horn_monos   Click Here to Email horn_monos     Edit/Delete Message
Looks pretty good. I agree and would suggest not tappering the d-bol and stopping after 4-5 weeks. The sust and deca will carry you through the end and you should taper those. Sust 250/week is fine and all you will need for a first cycle as your receptors are fresh. Any more test. or longer d-bol will just increase your side effects and not equate out equally to more lean muscle. I would even drop the d-bol to 20 mgs a day for 5 weeks, but I am far from an expert. Good luck

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media
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posted August 03, 2000 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for media   Click Here to Email media     Edit/Delete Message
Considering that it is your first cycle, it is O.K. Bur if you are going to taper d-bol, you have to increase sust to 500mg/week and keep it that way to the end. Sust is self tapering drug. Deca is O.K. Also, wait at least two weeks after the last sust shot to begin with clomid. Good luck!

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pete
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posted August 03, 2000 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pete     Edit/Delete Message
Thankyou for the input.I will do the Dbol for only 4-5 weeks. However, should I increase the Sus or 250mg/wk is enough for a 1st time user?
Also when should I start the clomid. You said EOD and ED. What does that mean? Please explain.

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susthead
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posted August 03, 2000 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for susthead   Click Here to Email susthead     Edit/Delete Message
ok looks good but do this 6 weeks on

deca sust dbol
200mg 250mg 30mg day
200mg 250mg 30mg day
200mg 250mg 30mg day
200mg 250mg 30mg day
200mg 250mg 30mg day
200mg 250mg 30mg day

dont take proviron it will block you adrogen receptors its shit get some clomid and only take 1 eod .

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DYLAN
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posted August 03, 2000 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DYLAN     Edit/Delete Message
Pete,
For one, These guys are right, don't go more than 5 weeks with the dbol. But I WOULD taper it down.
Also, you don't have to pyramid the deca. Start it at 400mgs a week right from the beginning, and keep the end like you have it.
And in my opinion, I would go 500mgs a week with the sust. But you will see good results at 250mgs on your first cycle.
I would also be taking clomid at 50mgs EOD with this cycle.
D.

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XXXL
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posted August 03, 2000 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for XXXL   Click Here to Email XXXL     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 39468048
if this is your first time i would up the sus to 500 per week. if this is your firt time it will be your best. i did 250 my first cycle and didn't get any real size gains until the 4-5 week. everybody is different so it might hit you sooner, but why take the chance? i'm getting ready to do my second cycle which will be close to yours. dbol, sus250, and fina/primo (don't know which yet) the dbol is to kick start the cycle and i think i might tapper the dbol. dbol will make you hold more water than the sus and if you just stop the dbol one day, you may experince some crash/lose. only water i know, but it can affect your training.

some people think that 250 is enough for a first time, but it wasn't for me. but like i said EVERYBODY is different. i was 5'11" @200 lbs when i started my fist cycle.

go with 500 per week.

post your gains. we will all be interested. good luck.

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gearface
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posted August 03, 2000 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gearface   Click Here to Email gearface     Edit/Delete Message
Dylan hit it right on the money. Go with his advice.

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Lift until u can't...... and then some.

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HDFatboy98
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posted August 03, 2000 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HDFatboy98   Click Here to Email HDFatboy98     Edit/Delete Message
FYI pete

ED-Everyday
EOD-every other day

Good luck with your cycle

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To see his cities reduced to ashes.
To see those who love him shrouded in tears
And to gather to your bosom his wives and daughters.
Genghis Khan,1226

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2EZ2BRICH
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posted August 03, 2000 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2EZ2BRICH   Click Here to Email 2EZ2BRICH     Edit/Delete Message
dose the sus every 3-4 days. don't take the dbol more than 4-5wks muscle head. hehehe just my .02.

2ez2brich

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ajc1977
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posted August 03, 2000 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
I'm just finishing the same cycle (I'm on week eight) and I'm up a fairly clean 17lbs and still getting stronger, with very little water retention (can still wear the tight shirts). I would have upped the sust to 500mg had it been available though, but you will see good results from that.

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Bossman
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posted August 03, 2000 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bossman   Click Here to Email Bossman     Edit/Delete Message
Bro, up the sus to 500mg and if you can wait and save the money, throw in some deca at 400mg/week. Like the other bros said, end the d-bol at week 5 or 6 and no need to taper if you are on sus. This is the same cycle I'm currently on, the only thing I regret is not throwing in some deca.
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ajc1977
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posted August 03, 2000 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that I didn't use any dbol in my cycle.

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pete
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted August 03, 2000 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pete     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Bros,
Thank you so much for everyone's valuable input. In light of your advices, I will revise my cycle to the following:

Deca 400mg/wk x 8 weeks
Sust 500mg/wk x 8 weeks
Dbol 50mg/day x 5 weeks

Clomid 50mg EOD throughout cycle and ED 50mg for 21 days post cycle. No Provion will be used.

By the way, here's my stat:
39 yr / 5'7 / 150lbs / lifting for over 3 yrs.

Will keep you all posted on my progress. Again, THANK YOU!

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