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VoxDeis
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 16) posted July 29, 2000 08:53 PM
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The general rule of thumb with endrocrine effecting drugs, hormones, is there are always regulatory mechanisms that adjust the levels in the body. When taking an exogenous hormone , a drug, the body will always down regulate its own output. When one comes off of the cycle of T3, depending on how much they took and how long, there will always be a period of lowered thyroid output compared to baseline pretreatment levels..hope this helps...
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Decaman
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 635) posted July 29, 2000 09:37 PM
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So what you are saying is your thyroid will take some time to normalize. What does this down time mean physically, how is it going to effect you?
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300 kleen
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 2548) posted July 29, 2000 09:53 PM
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That's why it is imperative that T3 (cytomel) be tapered up and down very slowly.
This is not something to F*CK with.

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VoxDeis
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 16) posted July 29, 2000 10:39 PM
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Kleen put it very nicely...you don't want to mess around with T3 because there is no equivalent, well there is...but very hard to get...called TSH (Thyroid stimulating hormone)...and the peptides are best...but..there is no way that most people can get to "kick" the thyroid back into action. Tapering down will lesson the any dramatic rebounds but it won't bring back the thyroid any quicker.
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giantset
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 266) posted July 29, 2000 11:25 PM
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I have never read about or heard about any cases of anyone ever permanently shutting down their thyroid by using t3. On the ug board there is even a $100 award to anyone who can find any studies or cases in which someone has permanently shut down their thyroid. It may temporarily suppress your thyroid but will not fuck it up permanently. Some guys on the ug use over 300mcg a day of t3 and have never had any problems, even quitting without tapering. I am trying it for the first time and it is fucking with my heart so I think I am tapering off of it now.
Later,
giantset

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Mojo
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 469) posted July 30, 2000 12:48 AM
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I wouldn't fuck with t3 until you do a lot of research on it. If you do it the wrong way, or take it too long you could be on thyroid meds the rest of your life. This drug is serious shit. Talk to Texas Guns. I think they had a problem with it a while back.
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 01:03 AM
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Hey giantset: There was someone who fucked up their thyroid on this board a while back. I don't remember who it was but maybe someone else could. Guys, Just so everyone knows I have done plenty of research on this board and on the net on t3. I do know that this is not shit to be fucked with and I don't plan on fucking this up. I already know how I am goig to do it: Like this-
11111222223333344444333332222211111. It will be 5 weeks. I will be on 300mg of primo and 50mg of winny powder per day. I am totally without a doubt sure that I can do this the right way. I have just heard horror stories from people about t3 and I just wanted some final advice. I would rather have too much info than not enough and you have helped me a little more, although I knew most of this. One other question. If you are taking more than 1 25mcg tab per day, do you take it all at once in the morning or spread it throughout the day. Common sense would tell me that you should take it throughout the day but is this right or what? Thanks again bros.
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 01:15 AM
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And VoxDeis: are you saying that this slow rebound will cause you to gain some fat back. I haven't heard this yet. And if this is true, then wouldn't taking clen after t3 keep the fat from coming back while your thyroid normalizes?
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 11:07 AM
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CLEMDOG
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 159) posted July 30, 2000 11:39 AM
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If taking over 25mcg a day, spread it throughtout the day. Also since t3 is not a controled substance is it possible to obtain legally?
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 11:47 AM
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Yes, I believe it is legal to import from overseas.
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giantset
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 266) posted July 30, 2000 02:38 PM
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Hey Maverik, it was Mrs. Texas Guns that suppressed her thyroid through t3 use. Her doc apparently does not believe that she shut it down permanently because he is trying to get it to produce normal t3 levels again naturally.
If anyone has any documented evidence contridicting the raver bet on the ug board then by all means go and collect your money. I think t3 use poses realistic threats other than natural t3 suppression that should probably be looked at. My docs only concern with cytomel usage for weight loss is its effects on your heart. I can't even use ephedrine anymore. It forces me into a state of hypoglycemia where I begin to blackout and my heart develops irregular beats and begins to hurt. I have found similar effects from t3 but I am probably just a unique case.

It seems the norm on this board to repeat like a fucking parrot any accusation that someone makes concerning a drug. Try looking for some primary sources and doing some research and deductive reasoning for yourselves instead of accepting whatever bullshit some person on a message board says, including myself. For all you know you are listening to a high schooler or GED bonehead that couldn't pass high school biology so don't risk your health or cycle success on a few opinions. I'm off my soapbox now.

Later,
giantset

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Kookyguy
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 17) posted July 30, 2000 02:58 PM
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I will tell you I have used cytomel a few times now and have had no problem with it. I did just what you plan to do. I do check with my doctor and have my blood checked every 6 months and everything works great.
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 03:19 PM
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Do you feel better now, giantset? I hear you about not listening to just one or two people. If you have never heard of anyone fucking up their thyroid then that is great news and just what I wanted to hear. I try to listen to every opinion and get the full picture everytime I do research. Has anyone heard anything about Mrs. Texas Guns lately? I am just wondering if things are OK now. Peace...
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Decaman
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 635) posted July 30, 2000 04:08 PM
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This a good thread as interest in t3 has seemed to pick up, after alot of people were down on it because of what happened to texas guns. I am nearing the end of it now, i must say it got hairy in the middle when i was taking 100mcg along with 120mcg of clen and 12 hydroxycuts a day, however i have since tapered down and am at the last few days at 25mcg. I feel fine, I have been told I look incredible and have been asked over and over about how i got to look so "hard" and defined. I hope that my thyroid is ok, as I would want to do this again next spring, as you live and learn, i would change a few things for next time. IN my opinion this drug is incredible, especially when stacked with clen and the proper anabolics, my apperance has been completely altered in 5 weeks, my bf is significantly lower, even with a diet that was less than perfect, next time I will be much more strict with my diet for maximum effect, damn eq makes you starve.
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 04:15 PM
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Yes, while the search is down, we should probably keep this bumped up to the top. And decaman, what was your starting BF% and what is it now?
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Decaman
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 635) posted July 30, 2000 04:23 PM
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You know i never took readings, that sounds really stupid, i just went by the mirror, 2 abs 5 weeks ago 6 now. Next time I will get a bf monitor, i didn't this time because i was seeing results almost immediately, and knew my diet and cardio were in good ranges.
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Ace Frehley
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 6) posted July 30, 2000 04:45 PM
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well i have 2 days left on a t3 cycle. I don't know bf% but I have had positive results. My pants fit looser and I now have 2 abs showing. It just tickels the shit outta me. I stacked it with eca and to be honest, I never felt bad whatsoever. I love it and will do it again.
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giantset
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 266) posted July 30, 2000 05:52 PM
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No flame intended Maverik.
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Maverik
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 307) posted July 30, 2000 10:51 PM
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I didn't take it that way at all, giantset. I was just joking with ya'. Peace...
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bigmofo
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 119) posted July 30, 2000 11:30 PM
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well i am starting T3 and eca tomorrow,i have talked with alot of people and realize there are alot of risk's involved,but there are also alot of benifits involved,as with any drug "AS" included there are risk's, but because we choose to use AS and other drugs to better our body's,i feel it is well worth it,and to be completly honest most of the guys i have talked to, all of whom have personel experience,say go for it,
BIGMOFO
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