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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:31 PM
  
I really don't think a question someone needs an answer to,is a stupid post,especially when the search has been down over a week.Granted some people do have lives other than working out all day and playing on the computer,so they don't have time to read EVERY single post to learn all they can.Most people probably don't bother reading most of the posts that don't concern them at that particular time in their lives.So for those who show ignorance,just remember,you will be asking for help sooner or later too,and I'm sure you will hope for a quick legitimate response. The problem I have,are you "SO CALLED" experts advising people to take 1000mgs. or more of Testosterone a week,when all your going to do is PISS most of it away and raise your risk for side effects. I thought this board was about the intelligent use of Anabolic Enhancing Drugs,not to see who can kill themselves the FASTEST ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Steelheart Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 632) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:21 PM
What are you saying I gotta stop my 1g of test??? IP: Logged |
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barrabaz Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:26 PM
Interesting. I'm going to bump this and keep it at the top. I'd like to see what other people think is the amount of test which leads to such diminishing returns that it would be unwise to use at that dose. From what I gather, Big Hurt puts it at 1 gram a week. IP: Logged |
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Future One Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:31 PM
I don't think I'd ever even consider doing more than 200mgs.... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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eastarr Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 243) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:35 PM
Great, now i have to read this and wait to see what happens. Does this mean my cycle of 10 weeks at 750mg for 5 weeks then 500 for the rest is bunk? Great! ------------------ "Pain is weakness leaving the body>>>" IP: Logged |
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barrabaz Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:50 PM
Big Hurt, I've got a question. I don't know if you're still around but I wanted to clarify what you just posted. Do you mean that at 1000mg a week the benefits are not worth the possible side effects, or do you mean that at that dose the receptors are completely saturated and your body won't be able to do anything with the test but metabolize it out? IP: Logged |
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eastarr Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 243) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:53 PM
I am assuming he means it is to much. ------------------ "Pain is weakness leaving the body>>>" IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:55 PM
I agree that there is a point of crazyness out there, but I also think if you have been juicing for awhile you need to up your amount, the more you juice, the more receptiors will be made... I don't think people should be taking 2000mg of test per week, but I also think 750-1250mg per week of sust isn't too much either... IP: Logged |
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400club Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:06 PM
your body can only process about 500mg of test over a 7 day period so figure the math out guys.. IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 468) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:24 PM
WTF do you guys get your info from ? Your body will only handle 500 mg in 7 days ? Shit, I guess I've been doing this wrong for all these years. The so called experts, as the original post stated, must know more about this subject than you do. You speak from a perspective of a novice juicer, or wanna be juicer who's still trying to tell the world "I'm natural". One simple fact. The side effects are no worse for 200 mg than they are for 1000 mg. I think that all newbies should start very mild, ONLY to see if they will have any side effects. If you can handle 200 mg a week, then by all means you can increase your dosages. The difference in strength and mass are absolutely measurable. You little mutts you should go over to the supplements side of the board. You have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe you can impress someone over there. BPP IP: Logged |
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Pup'nIrn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 294) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:30 PM
I understand your comment Big Hurt. I have been laughed at for the low dosages I suggest to most people around my area. They read these muscle mags and get blown up BS cycles that might work but produce 100x more side efects than results. I consistantly get bigger and stronger than my critics on lower dosages and short cycles. Just for example, my partner insists on large dosages of test with any cycle (6-8cc/wk test). Presently he is using the test with 5-10 dbol tabs and deca. While dieting for a show I used 1cc winny eod and 1cc fina eod. He not only didn't increase anymore than I did in strength but has hit a plateau and can't seem to figure out why! I explained to him he had done a hard cycle like this too soon to this one and filled his receptors but it went in one ear and out the other!! Oh and he called yesterday to ask if he should buy the Anadrol a buddy had. Damn people please think some.....More isn't always better!!!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Hercules Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 113) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:42 PM
I understand what you are saying Pumpin'Iron cause i have afriend just like that. He did this massive cycle and then went to the docor for a check up and turned out that his liver count was through the roof and that it would take about 3 months for it to get to a normal rate. Well 2 weeks later he was back on another massive cycle. they never learn no matter how much you explain it to them. IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:03 PM
Well,Wanna BE JUICER,I think not.Former teenage state champion who decided not to push the limit with the megadoses that are needed.As for my stats right now 29 5'10" 247 33 in.waist with abs,all on 400 mgs. of test a week and 3 yes count them 3 d-bol a day.I shouldn't post this without a picture because You might think I'm blowin' smoke up your ass,but I'd be almost willing to bet my teenage competition picture from 10 years ago would make you all think twice.Too bad we couldn't all get together for a workout someday,I'm sure that would speak VOLUMES.That would bruise alot of egos I'm sure.NO FLAMES intended BigPapaPump,but you shouldn't really blast someone you don't know nothing about.My point is,I just don't think you need anything over 400mgs.of Test to get extremely optimal results.If you need more than that,maybe you don't know how to train intensely or eat right.Not meaning you personally,but in general. Why do I say this,I tried the 1000mgs. a week and it so flooded my system,it just went into the toilet.All I got from that much was sore nipples and acne.Oh yeah,It was Steris Cypionate,the kind they made before the Ben Johnson incident. Personally,I got more off of 400 mgs.weekly.What I think is even better is varying the dose week to week to keep your body guessing,although that probably works better with longer acting esthers.But mt genetics are as different as anyone else's here. Someday gentlemen,there might come a time when you won't have access to all that heavy amount of juice,besides you don't need that much unless you are going to grace the Olympia stage and I highly doubt anybody on here will be doing that anytime soon,and if you think you will, go see a shrink. You will be so mentally and emotionally attached to the high dosages,you'll be lost without them.I know,I've seen it.Guys are defeated already if they aren't juicing as much as the last cycle. Vicious stuff man. Side effects galore. Start small guys,don't megadose right away.It's not worth pissing all that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ down the drain. GO WHITE SOX ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:11 PM
Good response PuP'nIrn.I know where you're coming from,and if anyone else who has been around the game awhile is either in denial or ignorant to the fact that guys in their gym are probably doing the same thing. MORE IS NOT BETTER. Charles Johnson just hit a HOME RUN off John Wetteland in the ninth to put the White Sox ahead.Great pick-up.See you in October.Just a little monotiny breaker HE HE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 468) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:18 PM
Well that was a better statement. It is not a 'must do' to hit a major cycle. If you're a newbie, play it safe and see how you will react. The statements about liver problems and the like are all BS. WIth the exception of a rare few, there has never been any proof of steroid related liver damage. I think alot of people fail to admit that they used alot of other drugs and alchol. Too many advil's will kill your kidneys too. My experiences are this: I do not drink or use any other drugs. I have never experienced any major side effects from 16 years of usage. My dosages are routinely at 1000 mg per week. Thats me. I have quaterly check ups by a doc and have never once had an issue. The majority of all the bad experiences from gear use come from those that are less interested in improving themsleves and are more into improving the ego. If you train, eat sleep and conduct yourselves as an athelete would, these problems would disappear. SO all the teeneeeboppers out there, stop using your 'x' and crack or stop using the gear. BPP IP: Logged |
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IceBlast Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:31 PM
Big Hurt, lets see that teenage contest winning pic.
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 484) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:49 PM
Hey bro if 400mgs per week works for u, then go for it. for my brother's first cycle I will be putting him on 600mg of test per week with 30mg of d-bol per day. How you respond to gear and how I respond are two totally different things, don't bash people because they need more to get to an equivalent point. I do 1,000mg per week and you weigh about 17 lbs more than me but so what, I just turned 21, and I have 8 years to go above and beyond what u have done. I will take bodybuilding as far as I can go with it, If I have to spend my money and risk my health to do it, so be it. I don't care. So you probably also want us to think that lee priest does no more that two ml's of deca and primo per week? I agree that training and diet are very important, look at flex and dillet, these guys have awesome genetics and both train like total fucking pussys. I don't think Dorian was blessed with great genetics, he worked his ass off, and was the biggest drug abuser of his time. Hell in his video his growth hormone gut looks to be at least 43 inches at his waist. Enough of this rant, this is a moot point, I am not wrong and neither are you. Do what works for you, people usually tell others to do what worked BEST for THEM. LP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 934) |
posted August 01, 2000 11:50 PM
I'm with you BPP. I just had a full physical. EKG, bloodwork, etc. Liver enzymes normal. Cholestrol normal. Heart rate just alittle low. I went on one of my regular cycles right after I got the results. 1000mgs test, 400mgs Ultragan, 225mgs Denkadiol and 50mgs d-bol a day. Been juicin for 20 years. IP: Logged |
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dahmer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:09 AM
If it's a first cycle you have to blast those receptors. Piss it out?? I don't think so. Are you trying to say you didn't make bigger gains from 1000 then from taking alot less??? That's fuckin impossible!!! Test is test is test!!! The more the more the gains!! It's that simple. You might as well take your rants and stats and go elsewhere. There is no place on this board for your bullshit advice. IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 393) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:34 AM
As has been stated before, there are no real conclusive studies showing the downgrade of receptors or the saturation of the same. I do believe however that the guy who is getting great results form just 400/week has what would be considered good genetics. As far as I am concerned, I do believe that the longer you have used the more that is needed. I think nothing of starting at 1000mg test and cycle up to 2000mg/ week. Just my .02. Oh by the way, if it is thought that the reason that I need so much is b/c I dog it it the gym-Don't even think about it. get big or get out IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 696) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:40 AM
This is the same guy that answered someones question on deca, by stating that "deca blows", after that good advice, I will be sure and take this good advice on test. WTF bro. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Moderator (Total posts: 1254) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:53 AM
BPP - Thanks for gettign there before I did. Lot of bullshit oput there. Test breask down at the same rate regarldess fo how much you use. A half-life means that after that time, half the test will be gone, whether it was 200g or 2000. Whoever is usingonyl200g/week, it isn't going to get you much in the way of results. For most new users I recommend about 750mg/week - to hit the receptors hard and make some real gains.....after that you can tailor your dosages based on your experience and your goals. Matt IP: Logged |
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bsjohnson Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 164) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:35 AM
well i think it all depends on the person. Its there body,and they know best. Shit i took only 200mg/week of cyp for ten weeks, gained 20pounds,and my arms grow 3inches. Shit i thought 200mg was a lot.lol. later IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 293) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:59 AM
this is the funniest post yet..big hurt youre a funny mofo..first off anyone who thinks the sides are more severe with 1000mg than with 250mg is clueless,there is just no evidence of this happening. with either dose youre overdosing your system with artifical test and your balls sense this at 250 or 1000 u cant avoid that. for a hardworking natural bb whos built a solid foundation for several years and took his body to the limit 250-500 isnt shit. the funny thing about your post was that you say you built your body on 400,but you started juicing when you were a fucking teenager!!!!! any teen will grow on 400mg thats fucking obvious but to someone whos built his foundation (which is the only time you should juice)and is just starting to juice at around 25-26 years old 400mg is a fucking tease . your post is just ignorant im done here... sourjerkkkkkkk IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 437) |
posted August 02, 2000 02:13 AM
Can't we all just get along and keep this shit to ourselves? Who cares what dosages we take. To find what works, people have to experiment. Why did you have to flame all the pros. I have yet to here any posts saying anything like "you guys gave me bad advice and now my doctor says I'm fucked" so obviously no one is experiencing any problems. I say to each his own. Make an educated decision to do a cycle how you want and let others cycle how they want IN PEACE. Mav IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:18 PM
HA HA HA! Did I hit a nerve guys? Are some of you in disbelief that great gains can be made on moderate to low amounts of Anabolics?Obviously.As far as me not liking Deca,Test works much better and provides more of a kick for the buck.My first cycle ever was Deca at 200mgs. a week for 8 weeks -------I gained 27 lbs.------- Not too shabby As far as deciding to put all your time and money into bodybuilding until you become a pro or die-- QUIT NOW -- Take up tennis or something. You should'nt be here giving advice with ignoramus statements like that.That comment doesn't even justify a response.I'll just contribute that to your age and lack of maturity and common sense.YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE Let's face it,we all started out this journey and thought we would be Mr. Olympia someday,WAKE UP TO REALITY,you have a better chance of finding water in the desert.I shared my opinion,I thank you guys for giving me the opportunity.NO FLAMES INTENDED,I just wanted to open up a can of worms on this MEGADOSE subject and see everyone's different views. I just don't think you need that much.There was a time when I couldn't afford all that and had to make due with what I could.So that's my experience.Oh Yeah,by the way,I did start at seventeen and cycles have been moderate and to the point. My genetics are different though,I can eat 3 big Macs a day for 10 weeks and be leaner than when I started.My cholesterol might be thru the roof though. My diet for my competition lasted 4 weeks and consisted of BK Broilers without the sauce,Fruity Pebbles in skim milk,and some turkey, tuna, pasta ,and rice,with a few bags of skittles thrown in. I guess I picked the right parents HE HE HE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 415) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:28 PM
You just must be one the lucky few that react positively to a little stimulus from testosterone and other anabolics. Not all of us are that lucky. But there is no clear-cut amount that will work for everyone. We all must experiment to see what is best. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 259) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:37 PM
Big Hurt: Please take this question as a complement and not a racist remark: Based on your genetic description, I have to ask you: Are you one of those gifted black athlets, who put on muscles by eating just about anything? [This message has been edited by Mr. Nobody (edited August 02, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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got big? Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:57 PM
my question is when say a newbie starts off with 750 of test like MattTheSkywalker reccomends, can that person every make gains off of say like 500mg of test or 750mg of test again? or is it once you use 750 it's 750 and above for the rest of your life? I don't understand too well about receptor memory and cleaning and such.. thanks IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 740) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:59 PM
Let's see, high doses don't work? Funny, they work for me. I have been lifting for over 17 years, have been natural until last year. I started at 165 pounds, and gained up 217 pounds. When I started the juice, I was at 400mg a week, yeah I got bigger went up to 230, didn't get much stronger than before. This cycle I upped the dose to 1250mg, 600mg deca and 6, yes 6 dbol a day. I am currently at 242, and about 10% body fat. I have abs, not contest shape but yes I have abs and vascularity. I find it hard to believe that you can get ready for a contest in 4 weeks eating junk food, what kind of stack were you on? Yes I have posted pictures and they range from a joke to I can't believe it is me. Each and every person is different. We all respond differently to different drugs and different amounts. I personally respond better to higher doses. Anyway, I could go on. IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:02 PM
I'm a white Irish Cockstrong male.But I do believe everyone responds different to certain amounts of drugs.I just don't see the need to start off megadosing from day one. There is nothing wrong with experimenting if that's your thing,just be willing to pay the price,whether it be spending excessive amounts of$$$$$$$$$ on the shit or your health.I'm not talking so much physically than mentally and emotionally. I live in a big city as you can tell by my handle.I've seen more guys get fucked up mentally and emotionally from not being able to find as much as they need. As far as physically,never any internal health problems. I learned from some of the biggest strongest men you will ever see grace this earth.Had a pro football player for a training partner who convinced me to compete,but showed me there was not a need for heavy drug usage. We are as close a friends as ever,and just laugh at all the kids in the gym who are probably on more shit in one cycle,than I've used my whole life.They look like they only worked out 6 months,but have been at it a long time. There is just way too much reliance on the drugs. If you do your first cycle,you start at 5 10 155 then when you finish your cycle you weigh 180.Great,you gained 25lbs., but you're still skinny. Guys don't train a couple years before they start juicin' anymore to build that foundation.They just jump right in,not knowing what it's like to sit ass to the ground with a 400 lb. barbell on your back(with no knee wraps I might add)and how to explode out correctly,confidently. It's ball busting effort.Alot of these guys never train legs or deadlift properly.They just bench and curl,or when it comes to squatting, don't give it a max effort. That's what gets me.It's kind of a joke ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:08 PM
I never said megadoses don't work for some.They do.Check out got big?'s post.No, you might not ever have to take more to get results,but if you start high,mentally most will believe they can't get the results with at least as much or not more.That's when you get into trouble ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 740) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:22 PM
It seems as though you agree that higher doses do work and that lower doses work as well. The side effects I have had are a slight increase in acne on shoulders, and periodically my nips get sore. I counter this with anti-estrogens. I note that these sides are the same as when I was using 400mg It also sounds like your argument is that for some they will develop a mental block due to a high dose cycle and will not be able to do a low dose cycle without mental stress. I would agree with that. I also, think that cycling your doses works well to. Do a high dose cycle, rest, do a low dose, rest, do a medium..., you get the idea IP: Logged |
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got big? Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:23 PM
I see what you're saying. It's a good thing we all have access to this board, because the few people I talked to about steroids locally are clueless. They buy half used cycles off of people, or use deca for 2 weeks then sell it off to buy more sust and then just stop lifting for 2 or 3 weeks, no clomid ever. One kid was bragging about what most people do in one cycle he'll use in 2 weeks, yet I bet half the freaks in here when they were "natural" were twice as big. I'm just gonna sit back and absorb as much info as possible before I jump into using high levels of test. Take care. IP: Logged |
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plate Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29) |
posted August 02, 2000 06:20 PM
Nothing to add just like to say its nice to hear a different take on this stuff in stead of the usual 750 test,400 deca, 35d-bol. Personaly I am making great gains off 500mg test per week thats it. (first cycle keep in mind. IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 393) |
posted August 02, 2000 07:01 PM
I think the point has to be made that there are a LOT of first time users on this board who are adding there two cents perhaps a bit prematurely. I have seen a top USA contender, whom I lived and trained with use very LITTLE in the way of anabolics. I remember seeing his cycles writtev out on his calendar and there were days where there would be .5 cc's of something and 1cc of something else, that at the end of the week would add to jack shit. But he was big as hell and very strong as well. I on the other hand do NOT possess the genetics to get away with that shit. I can eat anything I want and get away with it. Thank god for a fast metabolism. Anyway the moral is that I think we need more long term user's imput.
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LittleSavage34 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 360) |
posted August 03, 2000 01:43 AM
BIG HURT... LISTEN UP TO A REAL EXPERIENCE BEFORE YOU START FUCKING SAYING SHIT LEFT AND RIGHT. I AM CURRENTLY TAKING 1000G OF SUST250 A WEEK, ALONG WITH 400MG NOR200 AND 50MGS REF B DAILY. I HAVE NO SEEN ANY, ANY SIDE EFFECTS. NO GYNO *which I have a small amount naturally* NO ACNE, NO BAD BREATH, ROID GUT, HAIR LOSS, AGGRESSION, NOTHING...BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT DID HAPPEN. I GAINED 20 FUCKING POUNDS IN 3 WEEKS. TOO BAD YOUR PUNK ASS CAN'T COMPETE WITH A 6'4, 265LBS ROCK MONSTER. IP: Logged |
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Luca Brasi Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 312) |
posted August 03, 2000 04:55 AM
Well put pump I agree totally. IP: Logged |
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susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 196) |
posted August 03, 2000 05:54 AM
well this is a interesting one ive only ever gone as far as 500mgs personaly lets say i did on my last cycle 400 of deca 500 of test a week on the next cycle i would prob add some dianabol as well or change the drugs conpletly you dont need to megadose but eventully you will need 1000mg to grow and then there will come a point when anabolics wont make you grow at all take a look at the pro's they need insulin and gh to grow now. my motto is take it slow build it up over time why start with 1000mg a week when you could grow on 250. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 581) |
posted August 03, 2000 11:05 AM
l agree with taking just enough. You can always take more if needed. Also l think it is better (if taking 1000 mgr a week) to stack, so the sides will be less intense since roids give different sides and what is bad for one person, isn't for the other. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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400club Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted August 03, 2000 08:47 PM
thanks for backing me bighurt and others... IP: Logged |
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BIG HURT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted August 03, 2000 10:51 PM
LittleSavage34, 6'4" 265 is no match for 5'10 ' 250. SO you got 15lbs. on me,but you are also 6 inches taller.ooooohhhhhh. I'll bet I'm thicker with more quality dense musclemass AHEM and with a heavier wallet than you HE HE HE. You probably have to work 2 jobs too afford all that.GEEEZ I don't know about that whole roid rage thing either,you seem pretty offended and hostile at someone voicing their opinion at noone directly! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 393) |
posted August 04, 2000 12:17 AM
Pictures men, we need pictures.
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td24 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 148) |
posted August 04, 2000 01:00 AM
Big Hurt we are all very proud of your muscularity!!NOT!! Who gives a FUCK!! No one needs your bragging ass around here. Yes you might take no more than 400mg per week and see great gains. Not everyone has that kind of a response to AS as you do!! IP: Logged |
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