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Author | Topic: For All Who Have Questions About Metformin (Glucophage)!!! |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have see a few qestions about Metformin on the board reciently, and decided to do a little searching to find some answers. I hope this helps. By the way, since I have recently aquired a source for this I will be using it soon and will post my results. Hope you enjoy!!! Metformin: the most effective and under-appreciated life extension drug Metformin, an anti-diabetic biguanide drug, has recently been introduced in the United States for the treatment of non-insulin dependent diabetes (type II diabetes). In addition to its promise in treating diabetes, metformin may prove to be one of the most promising anti-aging; life extending drugs available! Metformin is chemically very similar to phenformin, an anti-diabetic drug that was discontinued in the United States by the FDA in 1976. The reason for phenformin's removal from the market was because of a number of excess deaths in diabetic patients, caused by lactic acidosis. These deaths were invariably due to its continued use in diabetic patients who had compromised kidney or liver function. No deaths were ever reported in patients who had normal kidney and liver function. Phenformin's removal from the market was greatly lamented by most diabetologists, one of who once told me "phenformin did everything! It lowered insulin, reduced blood cholesterol and triglycerides, stimulated immunity and even resulted in weight loss!" He blamed the excess deaths with phenformin's use on the "stupid docs" who continued to use it in the face of abnormal liver or kidney function. Metformin is similar to phenformin in its beneficial metabolic effects, but it is much safer, in that it has even fewer propensities to cause lactic acidosis than phenformin. One of the most universal changes with age, is a progressive loss of glucose tolerance. When this loss of glucose tolerance becomes pronounced, it is diagnosed as diabetes. Indeed the diagnostic criteria for older people are much less strict than the criteria for younger people; otherwise, nearly every senior citizen would be diagnosed as diabetic. In parallel (or perhaps, the cause) of this loss of glucose tolerance with age, is a progressive loss of insulin sensitivity, i.e. a loss of response to insulin by peripheral tissues. Metformin's mechanism of action is unlike other anti-diabetic drugs, like the sulfonylureas (e.g. Glyburide, Diabinase). The sulfonylueas act by increasing the output of insulin from the pancreas, kind of like putting the pancreas on the dining room table and going over it with a rolling pin, squeezing out whatever insulin remains in the already over worked pancreas. After a period of time, this often results in pancreatic failure, transforming a type II (non-insulin dependant) diabetic into a type 1 (insulin dependant) diabetic. Metformin, to the contrary, acts by increasing the sensitivity of peripheral tissues (like muscles) to the effects of insulin. In effect, it rejuvenates this response, restoring the effects of glucose and insulin too much younger physiological levels. Although metformin is approved only for use in type II (non insulin dependant) diabetics, I use it with a great deal of success on my type 1 (insulin dependant) diabetic patients as well. When used with insulin dependant patients, I find that they are able to dramatically reduce their doses of insulin, and more easily maintain stable levels of blood glucose. Metformin acts in a much more physiologic manner than either the sulfonylureas, or even exogensously administered (i.e. injected) insulin itself. Consequently, if rarely, if ever, causes hypoglycemia, which may often result from the use of insulin or the sulfonylureas. One potential side effect in long term users of metformin, is that it may cause malabsorption of vitamin B12, consequently, I recommend that anyone taking metformin also supplement their diet liberally with vitamin B12. Diabetes is believed by many gerontologists to be an example of accelerated or premature aging. Since nearly everyone suffers from "subclinical" diabetes (i.e. a loss of glucose tolerance with age), I recommend metformin to all my life extension patients who are over 40. I believe metformin has a profound and truly "rejuvenating effect" on glucose and insulin metabolism. Among other benefits, this results in a reduced rate of pro-aging cross linkages in collagen. Dilman (1992) lists the following benefits of phenformin, which are shared by metformin, (1) Lowers blood cholesterol, triglycerides and beta lipo-proteins Finally phenformin (and presumably metformin) increased the maximum lifespan of experimental animals.� Consequently, in view of its record of safety and paucity of side effects, its physiological mode of action, and broad range of beneficial effects, I strongly encourage all of my patients over the age of 40 to take 500mg of metformin twice a day. ALL INFORMATION IS EDUCATIONAL AND SHOULD NOT REPLACE THE ADVICE OF YOUR PHYSICIAN IP: Logged |
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 836) |
![]() ![]() ![]() You are the fucking man...That's great info. Keep it up. ------------------ IP: Logged |
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 836) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Does anyone know what the optimal times to take it should be? Morning, afternoon, etc? ------------------ IP: Logged |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'll check on the dosing. IP: Logged |
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 836) |
![]() ![]() ![]() One of our doctors on here said he took 3 per day of the 850mg version on carb load days. ------------------ IP: Logged |
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 836) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Fuck it...It's only like $15.00 per box. I'll get some and let you bros know how it goes. ------------------ IP: Logged |
supreme Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I use it all the time, see my replies to previous questions-if search is fixed (the post spelled it glucaphage) Works like vanadyl bullshit was suppossed-really good for post workout carb up and after carb depletion I. E ketgenic diets or DNP works REALLY good with effervescent creatine for between cycle pumps! Later! IP: Logged |
Alexej Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have Dianben850mg Metformin tabs. But everytime I use one, I get the feeling that my stomach is full, together with nausea this really sucks. what do you guys do? how do you take these tabs? Oh there is something else that could be interesting for you to know. If you use Metformin alone it doesn`t work. You can believe me, you have to use it together with INSULIN. I don`t use Insulin, but Glipizide, an oral insulin. some people use it with hGH or/and t3/t4 and have good results too. I think the reason why metformin doesn`t work alone is that it has the effect you mentioned, it makes the insulin(your body produses) work better, as a reaction you body does produce less insulin, so it works not. Use insulin, or an insulin booster, that`s better. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So you just take the metformin with carbs. Carbs stimulate insulin release and presto, you have metformin + insulin. You can also use it to lower blood sugar to enter ketosis more quickly, as well as for super compenstation when taking in lots of carbs. I haven't done it yet, but am assuming that Metformin would also help to keep fat gain to a minimum on a bulking cycle since it increases insulin sensitivity in muscle cells. Am I correct, has anybody had any experience with this??? Help me out bros!!! IP: Logged |
cm3504jm Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm on Glucophage right now for my NID diabetes. I take 500 mg every am and every pm. been taking them for about 3 months. My observations: I don't know why, but my BS levels increased slightly after taking for 3 months. Nothing dramatic ( about 30mg per), but it is a bitch to get them down to normal (90-100mg) Another benefit for me personally is that no matter when I take my BS reading, it varies minimally- There is no spike and it allows me to feel pretty much the same all day long. This is a great drug. The only thing is NO BOOZE whatsoever. I think anyone cycling should never do booze anyway due to the stress it places on your liver. Hope this info helps. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The dosing scedule I have seen for Metformin is two 850mg tabs a day, on in the am and one in the pm. I was thinking though, for a nondiabetic person, wouldn't it be better to take them later in the day when your natural insulin sensitivity is the lowest?? Opnions?? IP: Logged |
supreme Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I use the Metforal brand - 500mg tabs- 3-6/day depending on the amount of carbs I'm taking in. Definately take it with carbs for insulin or without for ketosis. I WOULD NOT inject insulin while using metformin; insulin lowers blood glucose & so does Metformin, you run the risk of a hypoglycemic shock. Not sure about oral insulin stimulators and metformin. Be careful with oral insulin stimulators they can whack your beta cells good and possibly lead to type I diabetes I. E. you shut down your own insulin production for good? just theoretical, don't know of any documented cases. Later! IP: Logged |
supreme Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() just wondering, anybody try an of the oral insulin stimulators, I.E. Tolinase, Orinase, Glyburide, Glipizide etc. Thinking about using between cycles without metformin any suggestions IP: Logged |
supreme Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sending this back up to make it easier for you to find JUICESEEKER Later! IP: Logged |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Any other bro's have experience with this?? IP: Logged |
whodaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 228) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() just curious guys...Glucophage is not a scheduled drug...so do you guys think customs would detain it if they opened the package? IP: Logged |
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 298) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No, they won't. It's in the same class as clomid and nolvadex. It'll come right through!!!! IP: Logged |
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