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 Mail order....Domestic vs. Foreign
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Chris Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted August 01, 2000 05:30 PM
  
I understand your taking a greater risk with Foreign mail order over Domestic. My question is why? Do you guys know what kind of things they do to check the contents in the box with Domestic and Foreign. Is it really a greater risk with Foreign over domistic, what are you guys experance with mail order? Thanks IP: Logged |
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LattimerII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 67) |
posted August 01, 2000 05:35 PM
I don't have much experience with mail order, but I have some. Foreign orders must pass through customs, whereas domestic doesn't. I have ordered clomid and nolvadex overseas and had no problems. I've never tried gear from foreign sources though. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 05:36 PM
I'm interested to hear how many bros have had problems with foreign vs. domestic. IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 365) |
posted August 01, 2000 05:58 PM
foreign from england - 3 of 3 foreign from peru - 2 for 2 foreign from brazil - 1 for 2, with a visit from the DEA and feds for the 1 that never made it. domestic - 5 for 5. peace, msg IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:10 PM
I have ordered over 10 times in the last year from slovakia, I have recived deca, sust, primo, and all the other goodies, all in vials... not once had a problem with my shipments, exept that it can take 14 days to get here... I have only ordered domestic once and I recived my 2 50cc bottles with no problem within a week IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:12 PM
kick ass! I didn't expect anyone to post their fucking statistics. One of those you mentioned also makes me feel more comfortable. But...What happened when the DEA showed up? IP: Logged |
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Hacker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:12 PM
msg give us details on your visit from the feds. just curious. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:15 PM
MSG- Are you the one that denied it and then they left, but told you not to order gear from that guy in Brazil again? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Diver Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 302) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:15 PM
damn message 12 cycles you better be fucking HUUUUGE!! IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 365) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:42 PM
ajc, yes that was me. perhaps the officer was shitting me because from what i see others are still receiving from there. to make a long story short. undercover postal inspector tried to get me to sign for a package. i said no. no one here has that name. 5 minutes later, dea and customs guys were knocking on my door. i denied any knowledge of the package and refused to sign a search warrant waiver. they never came back and that seems to be the end of it. email me with specific q's if you like and i would be happy to answer. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:44 PM
I've never mail ordered gear before and don't necessarily plan on it, but the info is good to have. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1189) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:46 PM
Id take domestic, even if it was more expensive, if you lose one order (like happens to foreign sometimes) you are worse off. Slopain IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 365) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:48 PM
just a suggestion - many foreign suppliers are willing to send domestically from one of their other partners for a little more dough that can still be cheaper than domestic in some cases. peace IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1189) |
posted August 01, 2000 06:56 PM
Why would you want to mess with customs anyway? Either way, I guess the most important thing is to have someone RELIABLE. Slopain IP: Logged |
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whodaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:02 PM
foreign (Tailand) 1 for 2...customs letters for the one stopped domestic 3 for 3 IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3534) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:08 PM
Domestic will always be more dangerous. How hard do you think it is for the authorities to track down a domestic? Then comes the controlled delivery and bang! You are in jail. Foreign countries rarely put up with America's bullshit and don't investigate the source any further. Therefore the customers of foreign sources are relatively safer. The paper trail inside the US is very easily followed. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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lethal59 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:12 PM
Good thought 2thick, everyone worries about customs but not about the paper trail. Always learning here. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:22 PM
2Thick- not to argue, but I was wondering if a domestic source sends it from a bogus name/return address to no name/my address, there wouldn't be much chance of getting in trouble if I didn't sign for it. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3534) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:27 PM
Okay, if you can find a domestic source, then so can a fed. They are among us daily. All they need to do is find out where the money is picked up...period. Does not matter if it is PO Box, Western Union, or anything else. There are ways of getting around everything, but most domestics are too stupid or greedy to do it the right way. That means, they can easily bust a source and pay a visit to his customers. They could even pose as the source for a while. Just too many things that could go wrong with domestics. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 732) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:44 PM
Gosh... that'll make you shit. Overseas, I've ordered twice. And I'm 1 and 1. The only reason I went domestic... is I'm not gonna pay more for Western Union. I just don't have the cash. And second, domestic is the first reliable I found. IP: Logged |
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quenepo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 952) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:45 PM
Good info is posting here,for me I use both,the only problem overseas ,one time from Turkey and I just get the damm letters from USA custom. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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markaveli222 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 158) |
posted August 01, 2000 07:56 PM
I have had 3 foreign orders have not had a problem. IP: Logged |
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Your_Moms_Kneepads Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 258) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:03 PM
The kind of source that you want is one that you send the money outside the US and have the product shipped from within the US. There is a source that I know of that has done/is doing this. Sounds like the way to go ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Chris Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:14 PM
I found a "supposed" foreign source. I recived his price list, at the bottom when speaking of shipping it said "You MUST SIGN" What do you all think about that? Everything I've read they say DON'T SIGN!! I've found other "supposed" domestic, but now from this info from 2Thick I'm wanting to go Foreign mail order. Would you ALL agree that Foreign is safer than domestic?...Now have to find a legit foreign. Thanks IP: Logged |
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BiffBoom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 712) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:18 PM
Foreign is the best price wise. Getting thru Customs is easy if you have small packages...not one giant box. Domestics are cool if you are in a time crunch...but that's all. Also, the best fillers live outside the US..and make enough money that they can re-ship if you get seized. IP: Logged |
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5setsofsix Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:44 PM
Most people who had gear nabbed from an overseas supplier got a letter from customs. MSG got a visit and almost got busted. I wonder why they came down on him so hard. MSG - how much was in the order they intercepted? Any idea why they picked you to fuck with? IP: Logged |
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BiffBoom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 712) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:47 PM
msg's problem was with a guy from a targeted country. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 791) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:49 PM
Yeah MSG...How much shit was that? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Bossman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 467) |
posted August 01, 2000 08:49 PM
I'm 1 for 1 foreign. You can't beat the prices. ------------ Bossman IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 365) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:02 PM
actually bros it was 22 duratestons. the package was the same size as a VCR tape. another tip - when you do order domestic, if you are paranoid like me, make sure that you wipe down your cash (largest denominations possible) and your envelope of ALL fingerprints. also, never send the cash from your own mailbox. this way they can not (or at least it is much harder) prove you sent the money if they are "posing" as the source. peace, msg IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 108) |
posted August 01, 2000 09:42 PM
Hey bros, think about this... If you send your money to a domestic source and he sends you the product, bam! He is facin' jail time. But if you send him the money and he doesn't send you the product, then the feds would only laugh at it, nothing illegeal. Its not like you'll sue him for ripping you off. On the other hand, foreign sources live in country that is way more leanient with anabolics than Uncle Sam. If they get caught by the DEA as a source, there is nothing the US can do about it. With this in mind, it seems like you'd be more likely to get scammed by a domestic source. But the bros here seem to contradict that in that they all get their gear from domestics.... I guess maybe you just have to be more careful who you order from domestically. By the way, Quenepo, what ever became of that order from that source we talked about? IP: Logged |
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GAMUSCLES Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:01 PM
I had what was a good foreign source (Spain)for me but has not been good for others and I was 3 for 4. Customs grabbed the last (and largest) shipment although the shipper sent it as a letter sized parcel. I got "the Letter from the Treasury Dept" and did not respond. After a number of days I got another letter saying that the property had been siezed and forfeited since I made no claim for it. I had to quit using that source because the shipping address I was using was simply too close to home. For domestic mail orders I am 2 for 3. The last order was never sent because my source was busted. It is really tough to say which best as both methods have their strong points as well as weaknesses. I wouldn't think that domestics would be checked unless they had reason to worry about either the recipient or the deliverer. Customs definitely checks or at least "spot checks". Best of luck bro! IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:04 PM
I have never had a problem with over seas shipping...plus my guy lets me mail him the money now, saves a lot of cash... I think it's much safer... just keep the packages small...beats smuggling...  IP: Logged |
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DocJ Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:26 AM
I've only been burned once with domestic sources. Had a couple orders get seized from Greece right when it became a "hot" country on customs hitlist. As long as you keep those foreign orders small so the feds don't think you are dealing, it's the way to go. Plus, the otherwise expensive stuff (primo etc.) is hella cheaper. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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5setsofsix Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:27 AM
It seems like the feds would concentrate their efforts more on domestic sources since they dont have any pull in countries where gear is legal. Its not like they can go bust the source. Also if domestic sources accept cash then they are giving out an address that they can be traced to. If they keep a record of their customers everybodys fucked. There is a lot of risk either way. IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1189) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:42 AM
I don't understand how you could say anything is good (domestic or international) when you get 3 out of 4 packages. Thats not good. I respects 2Thick, but unless you want your stuff siezed some of the time I'd go domestic. Maybe because 2Thick lives in Canada things are different there? Slopain IP: Logged |
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bsjohnson Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 162) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:55 AM
damn this is scary shit when you think about it. I'm 3:3 foreign, and 1:1 domestic. I thought about sticking with domestic, but shit, if he gets busted i'll prob. go down too. Doom on me. keep the comments coming. late..... IP: Logged |
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Chris Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:11 AM
It seems like most things......everyones got differing opinions. I think from what I've gathered, your taking a chance either way (differt type of chance) but both taking a chance. So....for me I'm convinced to take a chance with foreign....only because I find the prices a lot cheaper. If I'm gonna take a chance, I'm going the cheaper way. IP: Logged |
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flexed1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 733) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:54 AM
DOMESTIC GO WITH US POST OFFICE. PRIORITY MAIL WITH A TRACKING NUMBER. NO SIGNATURE EVER INVOLVED.IF YOU SIGN OR ARE ASKED TO REFUSE AS ITS NEVER REQUIRED WITH PRIOIRTY MAIL. TAKES 2-3 DAYS. IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 541) |
posted August 02, 2000 12:00 PM
I prefer over seas orders. Mostly because of the difficulty in following the paper trail. I am 5 for 5 from foreign orders. Like mentioned earlier, there is a risk no matter which you pick. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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foreverblast Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 147) |
posted August 02, 2000 03:28 PM
if yall so paranoid then just find a domestic who uses WU... They can't really track it down if you use ANYTOWN USA or some shit like that where the source can pick it up from any town in the states. It's more expensive than straight cash but hell it's safer.. john IP: Logged |
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5setsofsix Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted August 02, 2000 03:37 PM
For the supplier to pick up cash from Western Union doesnt the form have to say exactly where it will be picked up? That is not safe either. IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 403) |
posted August 02, 2000 03:41 PM
As long as you find a few RELIABLE overseas sources, they will probably have excellent shipping methods, like mine do. And also, if a package does get seized, most good sources will resend so I still prefer foreign over domestic because of the money saved. My only domestic source charges an arm and a leg for everything, although he is very reliable(most of the time). I have had packages seized once for a very stupid reason, but my foreign source was kind enough to resend a generic substitute of the same strength(mg). Everyone has their preference, but right now I have a very reliable foreign source and I will stick with him unless he gets shutdown. Peace...Mav IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 541) |
posted August 02, 2000 03:48 PM
Hey Maverick when your package got seized and your source re-sent it, did you have to use a new address or did he re-send it to the previous address? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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skatr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted August 02, 2000 04:19 PM
When I send my my source WU, I just send it to the city he specifies.then he can pick it up at any Business which uses WU. I'm 3 for 3 domestic. Fed ex 2nd day. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 734) |
posted August 02, 2000 04:43 PM
From what I understand, the worst carrier to use is UPS. They don't have to play by the same rules as the US mail service. They are a private company. One thing to remember is that using US mail to send/recieve your shipment is a federal felony if you get caught. Remember, don't sign for anything. Also, they can always let your package through get delivered as usual and then bust you. All they have to do is keep the package in sight at all times or mark it somehow so that it is identifiable. They just have it delivered, watch you or whomever remove it from the mail box or door step and take it inside. They would already have a search warrant because they know the contents of the box and that is pc enough for a judge. Bottom line is you can get busted no matter how you obtain your gear. I find the safest way though is to travel to country of choice, buy your gear and bring it back yourself. chesty ------------------ IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 436) |
posted August 02, 2000 04:51 PM
I am in favour of international shopping! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 685) |
posted August 02, 2000 04:53 PM
I have on word for you guys CUSTOMS. For whatever reason that word scares the shit out of me. I am with flexed1, i go that route , never had a problem. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tiny53 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted August 02, 2000 08:10 PM
Tried to order from cyber med rx foreign supplier never received gear, but was charged for shipping and insurance. IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 160) |
posted August 02, 2000 08:17 PM
I think if you lose one tiny package outta 10 from overseas, thats DAMN good, think about it...how uch could ahve been in that package, maybe $100 worth of gear? you have saved a lot more than that by using the foreign source, plus if you have a good source, like mine ...he will always resend if something gets broken....------------------ :)Building a body made for sex.:) IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 403) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:37 PM
Vitaman: I had them send it to another addy. It was kinda stupid because the reason that they wouldn't put it in my box was because I used my "roommates" name to send it. They told me that he wasn't on my list of people who could receive mail at that box, even though everyday they put mail in the box for the old boxholder who wasn't on my list. Kinda pissed me off. Now I have to use my real name or send it to boxholder which sucks. Peace...Mav IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 541) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:43 PM
Thanks Maverick. Watch using your real name that may get you in more trouble. I have been lucky so far at the address I have been using but just wanted to know what I would have to do if my address ever got flagged. IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 403) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:46 PM
Yes, I know this is more risky but I have only done this for my one source that I know is exremely good at packaging my gear. I think next time, I am going to try and use "boxholder" as the name. I have heard other people say this works. Peace...Mav IP: Logged |
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pharmaguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:47 PM
used both and never had any problems with foreign. But still it makes me a little sketchy to know that it must be passed through customs. IP: Logged |
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pharmaguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:47 PM
used both and never had any problems with foreign. But still it makes me a little sketchy to know that it must be passed through customs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bsjohnson Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 162) |
posted August 03, 2000 03:52 PM
I use my real name. I know a lot of bro's use false name,and recomend using a false name. Shit i'm just worried if you get caught and have a false name you going to be fucked. Maybe i worry to much. IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1037) |
posted August 03, 2000 04:01 PM
this is the best way to go....first off there is no law that says you cant recieve money by werstern union, mail or what ever..the person recieving the money will not be the same person sending your gear,,,paper trail is broke..the gear will always be shipped with a different return addy...some one said earlier,,,money my be recieved in the USA and products shipped from overseas...excellent in my opinion...the person sending money, doesnt have to use there real name either...another is the person my recieve money overseas and products shipped domestic...another is there my be remailing services involved...Rules; if you recieve a box from overseas wait 3 days, but mark on the box return to sender and leave it by the door...if anyone comes to your house like MSG situation ,,so,,denie it,,stay cool...your answers its not mine...controlled deliveries and feds posing as customers or sellers...a good lawyer will get that thrown out...if you are an idiot and you go up to anybody in the gym and want to sell gear..then you are a scmuck..hope this helps some people...oh and if some one comes up to you in the gym and says, wow!! what are you using...dont go blabbing , oh I get my stuff from whoever, now they ask for the email,,now this my be a cop or fed.. IP: Logged |
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