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GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 380)	posted August 01, 2000 02:54 PM Here's the details of the cycle I plan to help administer for a good friend of mine. THE STAGE: White male, 5'10", 195 lbs, 46" chest, 32" waist. First cycle ever. THE PLAYERS: Testosterone Enanthate, 200 mg/ml (Tornel) Deca Durabolin, 200 mg/ml (Decanorandrolen by Ilium) Methandriol Dipropionate, 75 mg/ml (Denkadiol by Ilium) Stanazolol, 50 mg/ml (Stanazolic by Ilium) Clenbuterol, 20 mcg/tab (Oxyflux) T3, aka Cytomel, 25 mg/tab (Cynomel by Smith-Kline Beecham) ECA-type stack (Synedrex) THE SUPPORTING CAST: Nolvadex, 10 mg/tab Clomid, 50 mg/tab Milk Thistle Saw Palmetto Cranberry Extract THE CYCLE: Weeks 1-4: 800 mg T-200, 400 mg Deca, 150 mg Denkadiol (split injections twice a week), Clomid 50 mg EOD. Weeks 5-6: 600 mg T-200, 400 mg Deca, 150 mg Denkadiol (split injections twice a week), Clomid 50 mg EOD. Week 7: 400 mg T-200, 400 mg Deca, 75 mg Denkadiol (split injections twice a week), Clomid 50 mg EOD. Week 8: 200 mg T-200, 400 mg Deca (split injections twice a week), Stanazolic 50 mg ED (orally), Clomid 50 mg EOD Weeks 9-10: 400 mg Deca (split injections twice a week), Stanazolic 50 mg ED (orally), T3 (tapering up to 4 tabs/day at five day intervals), Clenbuterol up to 120 mcg/day, Clomid 50 mg EOD Weeks 11-12: 200 mg Deca (once per week), Stanazolic 50 mg ED (orally), continue T3, ECA stack, Clomid 100 mg ED Weeks 13-14: Continue T3, Clenbuterol up to 120 mcg/day, Clomid 50 mg ED Week 15: Finish T3, ECA stack, Clomid 50 mg EOD Nolvadex will be used only when necessary. The milk thistle, cranberry extract, and the saw palmetto will be as directed on the bottle labels. EXPLANATIONS: First, before anyone asks, "Where's the d-bol?", I did not add dianabol to avoid unnecessary bloating attibuted from the drug and the subsequent weight loss after it's finished. Second, the Denkadiol is supposed to work synergistically with the testosterone and the deca from what I gather. Winstol will be oral after all the discussions over the efficacy of the drug orally versus injectible. THE CONCLUSION: Hopefully, 15-20 lbs. solid muscle gain, lose some necessary fat, and retain as much as possible. THE OPINIONS: These are yours. Please rip it apart or praise it. I'm open for constructive critism. [This message has been edited by GymRatSD (edited August 01, 2000).] IP: Logged
ripped to shreads2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110)	posted August 01, 2000 02:58 PM no need to ask it seems buetiful but maybee bump up the test a litle IP: Logged
Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 340)	posted August 01, 2000 02:58 PM Dude, I am by no means an expert but to me it looks pretty damn good for a first cycle. I can't see anything that I would change. He is lucky to have a smart friend like you to help him out. Most people I know just take like one shot of T200 a week for thier first cycle because that is what the moron who sold them the shit told them to do. Good work, bro. Peace...Mav IP: Logged
ripped to shreads2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110)	posted August 01, 2000 03:01 PM gym rats id let you do blue prints for me anyday once again it looks goood IP: Logged
chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 722)	posted August 01, 2000 03:02 PM Looks good from where I sit. I wouldn't taper the test keep it where you start it for the whole cycle. I didn't like the oxyflux, can you get spiropent instead? Don't see where you are using the T3 in the cycle. I would use the Nolvadex eod taken with the clomid, don't wait for problems. What kind of a diet and how old? chesty ------------------ SEMPER FI Chestys Homeworld IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1426)	posted August 01, 2000 03:02 PM Applause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ It's All Good Bro's!!! Ranger IP: Logged
Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 340)	posted August 01, 2000 03:05 PM Yeah, that is my only question. What about th t3? Peace...Mav IP: Logged
Consultant Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48)	posted August 01, 2000 03:09 PM Looks like some one did their homework. The only suggestion I have is tryy to bump the test up and staw away from the saw,(It will make the girlfriend unhappy) IP: Logged
GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 380)	posted August 01, 2000 03:10 PM I edited the original post for the T3. I cannot believe I forgot to add it in the post after looking over my notes. IP: Logged
ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 753)	posted August 01, 2000 03:13 PM Looks good. But, I recently read somewhere that Saw Palmetto can hinder gains. I was using it, but I got rid of it quick. Below is my "supporting cast". It may be an overkill, but that's the idea. Clomid 50mg eod Maca Root Liverite Lecithin Milk Thistle Evening Primrose Oil Cranberry Extract ------------------ ~~~ ajc1977 ~~~ Visit my member website at http://profiles.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1010)	posted August 01, 2000 03:19 PM Swweeeeet. Very good layout with all the homework, details and info, this is how every first cycle post should be. I would also keep the test steady. ------------------ LAte Lobo IP: Logged
DYLAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 370)	posted August 01, 2000 03:28 PM I disagree with these guys. I would taper the test enanthate down, just like you have it. The only test that I wouldn't bother to taper down is Sust. D IP: Logged
TooJacked Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55)	posted August 01, 2000 03:38 PM If it's his first cycle, he can gain 15-20lbs off of Test alone. I think this cycle is to elaborate for a first time. If 15 pounds of solid muscle is what he's looking for, Test alone will do it for a first timer. My first cycle was Sus/ Primo/ d ball/ moderate dosages and gained 25 lbs, kept 20. IP: Logged
TooJacked Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55)	posted August 01, 2000 03:38 PM If it's his first cycle, he can gain 15-20lbs off of Test alone. I think this cycle is to elaborate for a first time. If 15 pounds of solid muscle is what he's looking for, Test alone will do it for a first timer. My first cycle was Sus/ Primo/ d ball/ moderate dosages and gained 25 lbs, kept 20. IP: Logged
blackhaus1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 721)	posted August 01, 2000 04:02 PM Not a fan of oxyflux either, did nothing for me...I agree with Chesty, try to get your hands on the good stuff(Spiropent)!! ------------------ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.." IP: Logged
GymRatSD Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 380)	posted August 01, 2000 04:45 PM A couple more details: He's 30 years old, working out consistently for seven years. The diet for the first seven weeks will be clean, high protein, but not too much regard for calories except that it's kept high, around 3500-5000. From that point on the diet will be ketogenic, keeping the carbs as low as possible to help with the fat loss. IP: Logged
HeavyLifterX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 351)	posted August 01, 2000 04:53 PM Leave the nolva alone unless you need it, keep the clomid in like you have listed and keep the test high for one extra week. I would stick d-bol in place of the meth. diprop. Just my opinion. Everything looks good to me. ------------------ If it doesn't hurt getting it, then it's not worth having... Work With Your Back And With Your Brain IP: Logged
WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1010)	posted August 01, 2000 06:24 PM With the use of the clomid during and for SEVEN weeks after his last injection of test, I don't see any problem with not tapering. ------------------ LAte Lobo IP: Logged

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