posted July 31, 2000 10:33 PM            

To all Vets who oppose drug use I do aslo but GHB is not a drug in my oppinion
--------------------------------------------

STEP ONE-->>> FORGET EVERYTHING THE MEDIA HAS TOLD YOU

This "drug" is sort of close to my heart for a simple reason IT WORKS AND ITS SAFE! Now I will explain, first the only thing that one COULD mix with GHB are stimulants but thats more of a drug addict thing eccept in a meathod I will describe but downers NEVER go with GHB unless you want to die!! The smart thing to do is search and find real GBL in chemical grade potency of 99% + purity. This is good to takeas a ghb alternative but in converted by the liver so it can cause liver problems. For an athlete on a 17AA cycle this is no good and for others who want to stretch thier money farther (you can make a lot of GHB out of a little GBL) then you should make GHB out of this GBL. This is pretty simple and I will paste several meathods.

The common link of all these formulas is that they all seek to make a 1gram/1ml mix and 1ml=roughly one cap. If you get pure GBL then 1 cap of this is equal to around 1.5 grams of GHB but this is not an exact number I am not a chemist just reporting what some others have figured out if anyone disputes that number than I will acknoweldge my mistake. Back to my point, GHB at a dosage of 2-3 grams to start is good but be sure to give it 1 HOUR or even a bit longer before you do more (I LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY) After you take you first doseage take some caffiene at a dosage of arround 200-300mg. A trick i like is to mix my cap in with JOLT or RED BULL energy drinks which kills the taste and gets you around 200mg caffiene and to buy JAVA BITES to munch on. The point of this is to keep you from passing out or feeling tired. On 2-3 grams you may not feel tired at all but you will want anouther dosage if you are partying on it as 2-3 is not that strong but is safe and effective as a first dose. Caffiene is apporpiate as its easy to get and is not a harsh drug. If you want to try ephedrine then try 50mg when you feel tired or groggy. This caffiene dose is dependant on your caffiene intake on a daily basis. As bodybuilders it should be low and I dosed for this.
----Yuor next dose should be 2-3 hours later at 1-3 gams but 1.5-2 being average. You'll be wasted but GHB is strongest in limiting inhibitions so its important to PROMISE YOURSELF you will NOT drink ahead of time because in the state you will be after this dose anything will seem like a good idea.
-----caffiene and ephedrine will be your best friends on this stuff

Now for the risk takers and druggies out thier you can mix it with E. I have yet to try this but the effects of the two are similiar (in my oppinion) and the synergy should be incredible and comparably "safe" as they work alike but very differently at the same time

----------------------------------------
MAKING GHB
----------------------------------------

MEATHOD 1 --- home cookin

Ingredients and Materials
gamma-butyrolactone 130ml 98% pure or better

NaOH 65gm (plus a couple extra teaspoons)

distilled water 130ml

activated charcoal 1/4 cup

citric acid 1 or 2 tsp.

substitute: vinegar or HCl (muriatic acid) 1 or 2 tsp.

pH paper (chem. shop, pharmacy, specialty garden shops) It must be able to measure {very basic, basic, neutral}

glass pyrex dish with lid (min. 2 quart capacity)
substitute: stainless steel (recommend buying the glass) DONT USE: teflon or aluminum

1 liter bottle (eg coke bottle)

3 plastic or steel spoons (1 to stir, 1 for NaOH, 1 for acid) (the NaOH spoon must be dry)
Optional: distilled water ice cubes

Citric acid can be obtained as "sour salt" in international food stores, stores that cater to Jewish/Arabic cooking, and canning stores.

Hydrochloric acid is sometimes called "muriatic acid" in hardware stores. Low quality HCl can have other gook in it. Either be sure of the quality, or just use vinegar.

NaOH (sodium hydroxide) can be obtained/ordered from photography stores.

--------------
Procedure
Mix butyrolactone and NaOH in pyrex dish, and add water.
Start breaking up the chunks and mixing the fluids.
When it begins to react vigorously, cover it up and let proceed on its own.
Test pH, it should be slightly basic.
Add a little NaOH/Lye at a time, stopping when the paper turns very basic.
Heat to a simmer to ensure all the butyrolactone is reacted.
As it cools, slowly add citric/HCl until the pH is neutral.
Let cool (you can speed this up by carefully adding the ice cubes. Don't let them get on the glass or it might break.)
Pour into 1 liter bottle with a quarter cup of activated charcoal. (Wash the charcoal to remove the dust.)
Add distilled water to make 1 liter.
Let set (shaking now and then) so the charcoal can do its thing.
This works 100%, with no noticable solvant smell in the finished product.
Ingestion
Approx 1 gm GHB per 1 tsp.

Start with a low dose and work up, some people get nausea on GHB. About 3 teaspoons for <120 lbs, 4 tsp. <140 lbs, 5 tsp <160 6 tsp < 190 lbs. Increase 1 tsp at a time.

------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
METHOD 2

will be posted later...I have more to post on this but this is just TOO LONG!!!!!!

posted July 31, 2000 10:36 PM            

It is important to remember that at the time of the FDA ban, there was not a single death associated with GHB use. There were some bad reactions, but they were all due to people mixing GHB with alcohol, people taking unmeasured doses, or epileptics taking GHB.

The FDA ban accomplished only one thing; it led (both directly and indirectly) to the recent deaths and bad reactions that many associate with GHB use. Since it is no longer legal to sell GHB, most comes from home chemists who may or may not be competent. This means that a GHB user has little or no idea how much s/he is taking; this is itself can lead to tragic consequences. Also, since GHB is not sold by reputable companies in stores, there are no warning labels which could instruct users how to safely consume GHB.

When used properly, GHB is one of the safest substances ever used as a recreational drug. There are only three requirements for a completely safe GHB experience:

You must know how much GHB you are taking.
You must know how much GHB you are capable of taking.
Don't drink alcohol.
These are very simple requirements, and those who follow them are virtually guarenteed that they will experience no bad reactions to GHB. A prospective GHB user should first obtain a supply of GHB of known concentration. Then, s/he should take a small amount (about 0.5g, depending upon body weight), and wait to see what the reaction is. If there is no effect, the user should wait for several hours, then try again, using a slightly higher dose. It is paramount that someone not simply take more immediately, since taking "just a little bit more" can lead to massive changes is the effect of the drug. Once the user has a good idea what his/her effective dose is, then that user can safely use GHB for the rest of his/her life. The user's dosage will not appreciably change over time, nor will s/he develope a tolerance.

There are dangers associated with the use of GHB. First, if you mix GHB with alcohol, you can die. This is not unusual; many OTC drugs (and quite a few prescription drugs) likewise cannot be mixed with alcohol. If you think GHB is unsafe because of this, then go look in your medicine cabinet. I think you'll be suprised how many drugs there have similar warnings.

Second, taking too much GHB can cause complications. Usually a user simply passes out, but there have been some severe reactions to extremely high dosages. On the other hand, drinking too much water can kill you. In fact, every substance known to man can kill you if you take enough of it. Even Tylenol can cause massive damage if you take a relatively small overdose.

GHB does not do any damage to the body when taken in a sane manner. This is in sharp contrast to alcohol, which damages every major organ in your body (even at normal dosages).

It has been reported that some people use GHB as a date rape drug. This is not unique to GHB; alcohol has been used in this respect since the dawn of civilization. To say that GHB is dangerous and should be illegal because of this is clearly illogical.

In conclusion, GHB is the safest recreational drug ever used by humanity. The only dangers are those of ignorance; education, not legislation, is the way to remedy those. The FDA has done enough damage by outlawing the sale of GHB. Let's not make the situation worse by letting the DEA outlaw it as well.

posted July 31, 2000 10:50 PM            

ANOUTHER WARNING----
If you are VERY pone to progesterone gyno like I am them buying winny powder and mixong it in with your g is a good idea.

posted July 31, 2000 10:52 PM            

one cap is usually meant to be 5ml, or one teaspoon. 1g/ml is what a lot of people make thiers concentrated at, but by no means assume that what you have come across was made at that concentration.

And, it is possible, to have a concentration of up to 5g/ml

posted July 31, 2000 11:19 PM            

Go do your experiment yourself, and come back and let me know how it worked out. 5ml is one teaspoon, and 15ml is one tablespoon. I know these measurments, believe me.

posted August 01, 2000 12:42 AM            

------------------
Lift until u can't...... and then some.

posted August 01, 2000 01:29 AM         

------------------
That which does not kill you makes you stronger.

posted August 01, 2000 09:23 AM            

chris

------------------
6 gauge in my tongue,
22 gauge in my ass...

posted August 01, 2000 11:45 AM         

J
ps-GHB is a shitty club drug-nothing fun about babysitting your drooling friends!!

posted August 02, 2000 12:27 AM         

Hang around a little longer before you try to sound like an ass.
------------------
That which does not kill you makes you stronger.