posted July 31, 2000 09:56 AM            

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The Cuban

posted July 31, 2000 04:06 PM            

I'm not trying to make fun of you but your thinking is way out of whack. You say endurance atheletes aren't cut, but why is that? Is it because the cardio isn't burning fat? Or, the more logical reason, is it because these atheltets are not big and muscular, thus not showing off there extremely low body fat percentage as well as a bodybuilder who has huge muscles! Endurance atheletes are cut but just don't have the muscle size to show it. Endurance atheletes do not want to have big muscles because it slows them down. More muscle means more body weight and more body weight means you burn more energy which is not conducive to there profession.

Now to say that cardio isn't the key to cutting up is utterly ridiculous. True, diet is very important, but gdspeed already stated that he has a clean diet and dropping calories when on a "size surge routine", as he states he's on, would cause him to lose size while he cuts. He should keep the calories up to continue to build muscle and add some cardio to burn off the fat. True cardio may hinder gains a bit, but not as much as lowering calories without cardio. While on steroid cycles the calories should be kept average to high or else you are wasting them.

As a matter of fact, if he does incorporate 5 days of cardio to his routine I'd suggest that he increase his caloric intake, especially the protein and carb portion.

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The Cuban

posted July 31, 2000 04:27 PM            

I don't think there is any substantive evidence that aerobic exercise is a better "fat burner" than weight lifting, or is really necessary when a responsible diet is maintained. I'm pretty sure that interest in aerobics, or cardio as we call it in the iron game, is waning in emphasis in exercise physiology. Remember the 70's, when it was all the rage? Those days are gone.

BTW gdspeed, I think your carb consumption is way too high. I find a high protein, moderate fat, very low carb diet keeps me leanest. I'm at about 12 percent right now, which is low for me, and only got that way when I stopped avoiding peanut butter, and started avoiding carbs except fruits and an occasional starch my wife cooks.

Just my $.02, gentlemen. Glad to see some animated disagreements among the brothers, so long as we keep it all respectful.

Bjaarki

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"'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten,
high under Heaven, the hero's name." - Hrolf Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

posted July 31, 2000 04:35 PM         

This is why you can't just skip that 30 minute cardio session and cut your daily calorie intake by 300-400 calories to get the same effect.

posted July 31, 2000 05:32 PM            

What I said I was looking for was "substantive evidence" that cardio burns fat better than weightlifting. Burning fat stores vs. food has something to do with the time of the exercise and recent food intake, very little (if anything) to do with the form of exercise. There's a lot of bullshit out there about cardio buring Kcals from fat, at least after a 20 minute duration, but this stuff is all from guesswork based on ambiguous evidence based on speculation.

The sad fact is that we just don't know much about exercise or diet physiology. We know so little, in fact, that the high carb diet was touted a few years back as the best cutting diet in the world, NFL players were through the 1970's instructed not to lift because of its effects on flexibility and joint management, we still don't know what causes DOMS, etc., etc., etc..

There's a lot of bullshit out there, bros. A lot of bullshit. Few things are more lame than conclusions prematurely arrived at and firmly held. Use your heads, and don't buy everything somebody tells you, especially when it's dolled up in some "latest thing / cutting edge" drag.

Again, just my $.02. Keep up the god work.

Bjaarki

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"'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten,
high under Heaven, the hero's name." - Hrolf Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

posted July 31, 2000 08:57 PM            

I cut my BF by avoiding carbs, not by including fats. I just found I didn't have to avoid fats, so long as I kept carb intake low.

I just don't think that carbs are good for human physiology. We've only been eating high levels of carbs for a few thousand years. We were eating high levels of protein and fats a long time before that.

Bjaarki

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"'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten,
high under Heaven, the hero's name." - Hrolf Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

posted August 01, 2000 01:23 AM            

Just point out to me where I said that cardio was a better fat burner than weight training and I'll take back my opinoin of you not having a clue! Why in the hell is it so hard for people to just read and understand what they are reading? It seems like everyone reads shit and then puts in their own lines to make up some shit that you never said? Seriously, this is about the 2000th time someone has said that they disagree with something I said that I didn't say? WHAT THE FUCK IS UP?

OK, cardio burns fat. OK, weight training burns fat. OK, it is possible to lose body fat through proper dieting. Do all three and you'll be as ripped as FUCK! THE END!

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The Cuban