posted July 31, 2000 08:11 AM         

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I don't care for needles so I need something to take orally.I'm around 280 need to loose bf (23%) I work really hard just need that little something extra. thanx

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posted July 31, 2000 08:34 AM            

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cytomel, clenbuterol, combine both of these with a clen diet and aerobic exersize.

or perhaps you want something that can do better than that tri dnp

dont waste your money hydroxy cut you can get the clen and cyto cheaper and they work way better

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posted July 31, 2000 08:38 AM            

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THEN YOU DO NO WANT HELP THAT BAD!!! YOU ONLY GET 1 CHANCE AT YOUR FIRST CYCLE, AFTER THAT YOUR RECEPTORS WILL NEVER TAKE TO GEAR AS GOOD AS THEY WOULD THE FIRST TIME... YOU NEED TO TAKE TIME TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT. THERE IS ENOUGH SUPPLEMENTS ON THE MARKET TO HELP YOU LOOSE THE BF, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE!!

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IF YOUR HEART'S NOT INTO IT YOU'RE NOT INTO IT!!

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posted July 31, 2000 08:39 AM            

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Bro, I will tell you like it was told to me, if you're scared of needles to the point where you can't use them you don't need to be using gear. There are several reasons the first is you are not gonna gain solid muscle by using only orals, you are only gonna put strain on your liver and kidneys. Trust me stack an anabolic and an androgen and all will be good. Good Luck.

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posted July 31, 2000 08:48 AM            

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he just wants to cut up, or do ya??

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posted July 31, 2000 08:52 AM            

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In that case he doesn't need gear, go with an e/c/a stack.

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posted July 31, 2000 08:57 AM         

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Listen to jdismukes,he's telling you the God's honest truth.I went through the "orals only" mind thing a while back but i still want a liver when i'm 40.Once you stick that first needle in your arse or leg,there aint no looking back.Besides,you might as well be as healthy as possible while looking good as possible.Good luck to you!

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posted July 31, 2000 08:58 AM         

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If your main goal is to lose weight (fat) then use clenbuterol and winstrol. Stay high on protein and low in carbs. Cardio and you will lose fat..

Dutch

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posted July 31, 2000 09:02 AM            

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Your fear is understandable. However, if you decide to use AAS you have to get over the needle "thing". Whether its the fear of sticking yourself or the idea of being a drug user that uses needles you need to get over it.

If you decide to do the appropriate amount of research you'll realize that injectable AAS are the safest, most efficient choice for almost anyone.

Sorry man, I know thats not what you wanted to hear...but nobody with any descent amount of experience is going to tell you its okay to do an all oral cycle.

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posted July 31, 2000 09:42 PM         

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thanks guys I will take this into consideration and study this site a lot more.I do want the cut and the build also.your only as good as your teacher! (s)

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posted July 31, 2000 09:56 PM            

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Dude, just eat a cleaner diet and lower your calories. Do cardio 5 times a week first thing in the morning for half an hour. Since you are carrying a lot of BF it will come off fast at first. Then when you are having trouble losing any more weight, that's when you resort to cynomel and clen. You could go ahead with a little clen to help spare some muscle though. I would wait on the cynomel.
Peace...

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