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Altrdloc Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted July 30, 2000 03:05 PM
  
Hey, can I get my clomid from my Gen. Prac. Doctor? Will he just write me a script for it? And if he does, will the phamasist suspect anything? IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 307) |
posted July 30, 2000 03:25 PM
You could try but chances are no. I could give you some pointers if you want. E-mail me. IP: Logged |
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cammo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted July 30, 2000 04:03 PM
what's the clomid for?it's nonsteroidal, curius. IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 307) |
posted July 30, 2000 04:10 PM
Man I wish the search engine was working right. I have never seen so many clomid questions since I have been on this board. Oh well, I guess they gotta find out somehow. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3471) |
posted July 30, 2000 04:13 PM
Clomid is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid. Since it is a synthetic estrogen it belongs, however, to the group of sex.hormones. In school medicine Clomid is normally used to trigger ovulation. Those who cannot make much of this should read the package insert of Merrell Dow Pharma GmbH Company enclosed with the compound. Under "application" one reads the following: "To trigger the release of an ovum (ovulation) in women who want children and have certain ovary malfunctions..." Some might ask now what such a compound is doing in the drug arsenal of athletes. Those who know the effect of Clomid will immediately understand why it is used by numerous athletes. Clomid, by setting in motion the process of releasing hormones, stimulates the release of gonadotropin and triggers ovulation in women with anovulatory cycles and who are sterile because of this. Although this is actually a drug destined for women its effect on men is undisputed. The manufacturer of Dyneric,the Merrell Dow Pharma GmbH, writes in its package insert for the German version of Clomid: "Dyneric causes an improved activity between mid-brain, pituitary gland, and ovaries." What however is not mentioned is that Dyneric also improves the activity between mid-brain (hypothalamus), pituitary gland thypophysis), and testes in men. Clomid has a strong influence on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis. It stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) aud LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. This results in an elevated endogenous (body's own testosterone level. Clomid is especially effective when the body's own testosterone production, due to the intake of anabolic/androgenic steroids, is suppressed. In most cases Clomid can normalize the testosterone level and the spermatogenesis (sperm development)within 10-14 days. For this reason Clomid is primarily taken after steroids are discontinued. At this time it is extremely important to bring the testosterone production to a normal level as quickly as possible so that the loss ofstrength and muscle mass is minimized. Even better results can be achieved if Clomid is combined with HCG or when Clomid is used after the intake of HCG. The difference between Clomid and HCG lies in the fact that Clomid has a direct influence on the hypothalamus and the hypophysis, thus regenerating the entire regulating cycle while HCG imitates the effect of the luteinizing hormone (LH) which stimulates the Ledig's cells fo produce more testosterone. Since HCG, unlike Clomid, leads to a distinctly elevated plasmatestosterone level within a few hours, many athlets first take HCG and then Clomid (see also HCG). Paradoxically, although Clomid is a synthetic estrogen it also works as an antiestrogen. The reason is that Clomid has only a very low estrogenic effect and thus the stronger estrogens which, for example form during the aromatization of steroids, are blocked at the receptors. These would include those that develop during the aromatizing of steroids. This does not prevent the steroids from aromatizing but the increased estrogen is mostly deactivated since it cannot attach to the receptors. The inereased water retention and the possible signs of feminization can thus be reduced or even completely avoided. Since the antiestrogenic effect of Clomid is lower than those found in Proviron, Nolvadex, and Teslac it is mainly taken as a testosterone stimulant. From the German book Doping By Brigitte Berendonk the reader can learn that Clomid is not only used in bodybuilding: "During the 1980's Clomiphene (table 2) has been used, a medication that promotes the production of the body's own stimulating hormone, gonadotropin, which in turn increases the testosterone level. - It is, for example, administered to women as a so-called antiestrogen to trigger ovulation ("ovulation stimulator").Clomiphene (usually the Hungarian compound Clostilbegyt) was used by rowers (resp. Prof. Dr. Herbert Gurtler) and weightlifers (Dr Lathan; p. 187) since the late 1970's. Increasingly, it was used in other sports disciplines as well, including track and field athletics. Riedel, at the time, happily made the handwritten entry in his notebook: "Substance that is not an anabolic: generally traceable but is not a doping substance." The dosages were horrendous. I found entries of up to l5 times 100mg daily and the report that the positive effect lasts up to 20 days after the last tablet is taken. And it was already assured since 1982 that the increased testosterone production after doping with Clomiphene did not reveal traits of the T/E quotient(testosterone/epitestosterone quotient, the author)during doping tests. Side effects of Clomid are very rare if reasonable dosages are taken. Possible side effects are climacteric hot flashes and occasional visual disturbances which can manifest themselves in blurred vision, giving flickering or flashing. Should visual distuibances occur, the manufacturer recommends discontinuing Clomid treatment. Inadequate liver functions cannot be excluded;however,they are very unlikely in women enlargement of the ovaries and abdominal pain can occur since Clomid stimulates the ovaries. When taking Clomid multiple pregnancies are possible as well. As for the dosage, 50-100 mg/per day(1-2 tablets) seems to be sufficient. The tablets are usually taken with fluids after meals. If several tablets are taken it is recomended that they be administered in equal doses distributed throughout the day. The duration of intake should not exceed 10 to 14 days. Most athlets begin with 100 mg/day taking one 50mg tablet every morning and evening after meals. After the fifth day the dosage is often reduced to only one 50mg tablet per day. It is normally not necessary to take the compound for more than 10 days in order to increase the endogenus testosterone production. Since Clomid should not be taken for a prolonged time its application as an Antiestrogen must be excluded because, for that purpose, it would have to be taken for several weeks. Clomid is relatively expensive. A package with 10 tablets costs approx. $35 - 45 on the black market. Fortunately, since the intake is only for a brief time, the financial burden usually becomes acceptable. The foreign compounds such as the Spanish Omifin are considerably cheaper and cost less than $2 per tablet. The tablets of the Merrell Dow Company (Dyneric, Omifin,Clomid) are beige, indented, and have an "M" engraved on the back, imprinted with two circles. Fakes of Dyneric, Clomid, Omifin, and other compounds are not available at this time. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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cammo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted July 30, 2000 04:25 PM
thanks 2thick that was very informative. IP: Logged |
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duck44 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 31, 2000 01:05 PM
Damn you go boy!!! Thanks for the info brother, help me alot. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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