posted July 29, 2000 06:15 PM         

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I know it was once dogma to slowly reduce the drug dosage when discontinuing a cycle. However, in order for endogenous testosterone production to begin after having been suppressed by a cycle the body has to recognize the presence of a deficit. Slowly reducing the amounts used will still produce a supraphysiological amount which does not allow endogenous production to begin. In short, by tapering you are only prolonging the suppression, but you are doing so with dosages that do not allow for gains to be made. Some might state that this tapering is necessary to avoid any drastic changes, even at the cost of further suppression, since it is these drastic changes which are a primary cause of losses post cycle. Yet, aren't the steroids half lives themselves, especially long acting injectables, creating a sufficient taper? For example, if you use the ever popular testosterone enanthate you have markedly elevated levels for the first 8 days or so, and the following 8 you'll have 50% of the original amount, and the following 8 days you'll have 25% etc. Isn't this enough of a taper? I've seen some info sources that state to taper everything. Some will tell you to taper nothing... that the whole theory of tapering is faulty. Then again there are those that will recommend you taper certain AS while you don't have to taper others. Personally, I don't think tapering is necessary, but rather it is important to have the necessary ancillaries to kick in testosterone production as soon as possible in order to maintain as much as possible of the gains. I'd like to find out what opinion you might have on this. If there is a specific anabolic you believe should be tapered please explain why.

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posted July 29, 2000 06:33 PM            

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i agree with you. only thing i might think to taper or rather extend a bit COULD be fina or some short acting AS. im not sure if there is a theory on this or not, just seems like what i would do. instead of ed or eod, go to every 3rd day for maybe a week or 2. since its such a short amount of time in the system. just a thought.
but i agree with you on the long acting esthers.

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posted July 29, 2000 06:54 PM         

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Thanks for the input bignate73.

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posted July 29, 2000 08:22 PM            

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This is a good post..I hope to see more feedback on this myself as I've been pondering this as well. My personal experience is that when I begin tapering down, my gains stop coming and I still lose some mass post cycle as well, so I'm planning on doing very little tapering in my future cycles, mainly so that I can make gains for as long as possible on that gear.
Also, is tapering dose dependant? I know there is no need to taper from 500mgs of sust, but what about 1000 or 1500mgs? I think clomid does much more to prevent crashing than tapering would.

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posted July 30, 2000 03:18 AM            

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krusher brings up a good point.

those who are taking upwards over 1000mg of test, normally do so for only the first few weeks to hit the receptors hard and to "build up" a high level of test. tapering, in the sense of the word is done. actually what it should be considered is; taking the test level down to the actual level needed. ie 500-750mg. i would say thats the level of test needed for anabolic/androgenic stimulation. so basically a spike (1000+ mg) and then stimulation levels for the duration of the cycle.
experience with a particular AS and also tolerance will determine actual dosages needed for receptors to respond. thats why most recommend for new users to start low to minimize a rapid tolerance to test or similar AS. probably many will disagree, but thats my take on it from what i have read about the body and experiences from other bros.

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posted July 30, 2000 06:56 PM         

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I'm going to bump this back up to see if I can get some more responses. (Next time I'm going to ask Ranger to introduce my question with a poem to see if I can generate more interest!!!)

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