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 READ THIS DOCTOR'S TAKE ON CLOMID
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 391) |
posted July 28, 2000 10:46 PM
   I just went to this doctor's forum and went to steroids then to clomid. He says clomid is worthless and causes gyno rebound and slows natural test recovery follwing a cycle of AS. Opinons are like assholes, I will contiue to use clomid w/all AS. Just wondered what you guys thought of this. http://www.directweb.net/steroids/ IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 620) |
posted July 28, 2000 10:52 PM
You know I read that too and was going to post about it, I said fuck it though , how can we all be wrong, and I WONDERED WHEN THE LAST TIME HE DID A CYCLE AND USED CLOMID. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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barrabaz Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted July 28, 2000 10:58 PM
Let me ask you something monstrosity, I was searching through the site you posted and the only thing I could see concerning clomid was a small little caption which summarized the book's chapters and specifically one which claimed it was an error to use HCG or clomid at the end of the cycle. Is this what you are referring to or is there something else in this site where he discusses the mechanism by which clomid behaves as he claims it does? It's true some people mistakenly use HCG at the end of the cycle to try and regain their endogenous testosterone production... I wonder if the book is mixing clomid with HCG's properties??? I'm with you, I think it is very well established that clomid is helpful in blocking estogen's negative feedback to endogenous testosterone production! IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 518) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:11 PM
I don't care what the doc says, i will continue to use it while on/postcyle as long as I am still drinking the juice!! IP: Logged |
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swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:18 PM
fuck most doctors and scientist. scientists first said in the start that steroids didnt cause muscle growth, bodybuilders and athletes proved them wrong. expierence and knowledge beats reading and studing any day. think of it like this... would you learn more about how a car works by reading about it or by working on it. swol [This message has been edited by swol (edited July 28, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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CornFed Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:27 PM
INTERESTING READING....I'D LIKE TO SEE EVERYONE ELSES TAKE ON THIS.. IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 28, 2000 11:30 PM
Here's his reference. Lee PA. The occurance of gynecomastia upon withdrawal of clomidphene citrate treatment for idiopathic oligospermia. Fertil Steril 1980; 34:285-266. That's an interesting board. IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 29, 2000 05:10 AM
I always knew HCG is a better choice than clomid for most BBs. Most people would disagree with me. If you want to try HCG, take note, about 5-6 hours from the shot(5000ius) you'll start to get an erection. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 617) |
posted July 29, 2000 05:41 AM
THESE ARE THE SAME DOCTORS THAT WILL TELL YOU STEROIDS ARE LETHAL. ------------------ Bros before Hos IP: Logged |
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wiseguy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted July 29, 2000 05:53 AM
my doc tells me exactly the same thing! and he isn't saying it because he makes more money on selling me other stuff or someting, because he doesn't. he prescribes me everything i want...except...yeah right! clomid!!! he says it's like trowing your money away when you're using it and that you should let your testes get to function again on their own... i still use clomid though...what do doctors know!!!hehehe ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Diver Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted July 29, 2000 02:23 PM
the following is the thread. interesting reading but i dont think he is going to give alternatives... http://boards.eesite.com/board.cgi?boardset=28180243&boardid=7734208&thread=3&spec=3861826 IP: Logged |
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JUICESEEKER Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 289) |
posted July 29, 2000 03:23 PM
YEAH I READ THAT SAME THREAD ON THAT BOARD, I QUESTION WHEATHER HE IS A REAL DOCTOR OR NOT! IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 391) |
posted July 29, 2000 04:39 PM
There will always be people out there that challenge everyone's beliefs. This Doc's heart is set on the destruction of Clomids fame. IP: Logged |
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VoxDeis Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted July 29, 2000 09:03 PM
Well I am a sceintist...and Clomid is well known in the medical literature to increase test via inhibiting E2 receptor responding and therefore mainting a high level of LH. If one stops clomid and their test levels are low then the estrogenic effects can set in. I would suspect the "rebound gyno" has more to do with clomids selective antiestrogenic effects being on the brain and the female reproduction organs. It acts like an estrogen in all other areas of the body. Many studies were done to see if clomid had any increased instance of breast cnacer because it acts as an estrogen in the breast tissue. I get concerend when I see people saying it is an anti-estrogen and can be used for prevention of gyno when it will have just the opposite effect...slight...but certainly not a preventative measure. As far as clomid inhibiting natural test production upon stopping the drug..there is no evidence to point to that... IP: Logged |
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300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2546) |
posted July 29, 2000 10:09 PM
As a wise man once said, "BUNK"... That's one person's opinion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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pizza man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 394) |
posted July 29, 2000 10:13 PM
i have done 4 cycles currently on 5th and NEVER have done clomid or anything else after a cycle, i usually lose 25% to 35% of gains. so i,m keeping roughly 70% of each gain. So you all are telling me if i take clomid i,l retain MORE than 70% of my gains?????? IP: Logged |
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Spawn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted July 29, 2000 10:20 PM
Bro, that depends on what you took, how long, what dosages, etc.... Spawn IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 982) |
posted July 29, 2000 10:34 PM
i'll keep taking it since it's cheap... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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