posted July 28, 2000 09:37 AM            

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Well, here it is. My first cycle. The cherry is about to pop. Lots of studying and preparation have brought me to my final step in the process, consulting with you guys. Being that this place is filled with the Einstein's of the anabolics world what better place to begin it all than here. Let me know what you think.
Goal: Solid mass that I can keep. I would be happy with 10-12 solid maintainable pounds in the end. Main point here is holding onto the gains, not neceassarily loads of mass.
Info:6'2 178 8%bf
Week Sust D-Bol EQ Clomid
1 500 4/day
2 500 4/day
3 500 3/day 400
4 500 3/day 400
5 500 400 50mg eod
6 500 400 50mg eod
7 400 50mg eod
8 400 50mg eod
9 50mg ed
10 50mg ed

All right, now it's time for the opinions/suggestions. Any help I can get would be valueble and appreciated.

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posted July 28, 2000 09:43 AM            

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Well that got fucked up. Weeks 7 and 8 thats not 400 sust it is 400 eq. I'll summarize.
Week 1-6: sust 500 a week
Week 3-8: EQ 400 a week
Week 1&2: 4 d-bol/day
week 3&4: 3 d-bol/day
Clomid 50mg eod starting at week 5 and then 50mg ed wekks 9 and 10.
Sorry for my slopyness.

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posted July 28, 2000 09:43 AM            

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bump up the d-bol 4 a day is nothing, you should do about 8 a day.

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posted July 28, 2000 09:44 AM            

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Bump the d-bol up to 30mg/day for 3 weeks then 25mg/day for 1 week.

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posted July 28, 2000 09:45 AM            

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I'm not all that smart, but if I were you I would up the dosages on the d-bol to 6 a day for the first 3 weeks, then taper down until week 5. Also, I would extend your sus intake to 8 or 10 weeks instead of 6. You also might wanna use a tapered dose of the EQ for the last week. It's good that you're gonna use Clomid, but I'd take it EOD from the beginning to keep your boys in check. Since your goal is to hold on to that mass, definitely do the Clomid from the beginning, and try to get some Proviron tabs to take @100mg/day for a few weeks after your last Clomid. LOOMZ.

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posted July 28, 2000 09:52 AM            

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Like someone else said increase the Dbol to 5 or 6 a day and taper down.

Also run the Sus out the full 8 weeks. Other than that it looks GREAT!

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posted July 28, 2000 10:08 AM            

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Like the others said, up the d-bol to 30mg/day, every 4 hours. Yes, even in the middle of the night. You can taper in week 5 if you want, but with the clomid and sus it is not necessary. The sus 500mg for 8 weeks. You will see some great gains bro, good luck.
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posted July 28, 2000 10:22 AM            

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as was said....up the dbol, run the sus for 8 weeks. I would also run the eq 2 wks past the sust and taper it the last week.

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posted July 28, 2000 10:32 AM            

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When you said solid gains and not necessarily loads of mass i would be thinking in terms of test/deca. I've heared some on this board saying orals are not a good idea for first timers but not sure as to why. I took orals my first and I'm OK. I would go ahead and get massive as possible on cycle and let your net solid gains materialize a few months after cycle. I don't think i'm alone in saying that bulking really makes you look like shit with your shirt off so do this in the winter trime esp. if you are a beach bum like me. Good decision you made. Rock on!

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posted July 28, 2000 11:18 AM         

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Up the dbol to at least 30mgs a day.
Start the Eq when you are done with the dbol (week 5), then run it to week 11 or 12, tapering down.
D.

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posted July 28, 2000 12:25 PM            

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You did your homework.... refreshing to see. Just listen to the good comments and that 10-12 pounds will be sweet.

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posted July 29, 2000 10:51 PM            

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good jof on the homework for your cycle!! run the D at 30mg a day and tapper down, also run your sus up to week 8 cause it takes a good 4 to 5 weeks before it really starts to kick in, have some nolva on hand just in case and add the eq after you are done with the D. good luck!!!

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posted July 29, 2000 11:02 PM            

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why don't you just drop the dbol for another cycle since you don't wanna use a lot of it? if you're going to use more use about 6-8 pills a day

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posted July 29, 2000 11:34 PM            

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Looks good for a first cycle-good luck

get big or get out

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posted July 29, 2000 11:50 PM            

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good advice, agree w/ others up the dbols. 30-35mg for 2 or 3 weeks then taper off.

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posted July 30, 2000 12:10 AM            

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loomish knows his shit read his post..
sus should be 10 weeks, 6 aint nada plus goin
up to 750 sus wouldnt hurt..loomishes dbol suggestion is good too 4 a day isnt much.
your cycle is very light bro youll be lucky to hold 5 pounds of lbm at the end.

ps. i hope you already built a strong natural foundation,to work with,from your stats it doesnt look like it.
no flame at all.

sourjerrk

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posted July 30, 2000 12:12 AM            

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Can you go 8 weeks on sust - do you have enough?

Also I recommend clomid throughout.

Matt

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posted July 30, 2000 12:21 AM            

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doing a similar cycle

DURATEST EQ D-BOL
WK1 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK2 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK3 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK4 750 --- 6 A DAY
WK5 750 300 6 A DAY
WK6 750 300
WK7 500 300 --------
WK8 500 300 --------
WK9 --- 300 --------
WK10 --- 300 --------
WK11 --- 300 --------
WK12 --- 300 --------

CLOMID 1TAB EOD DURING CYCLE
CLOMID 2TABS ED FIRST TWO WEEKS POST CYCLE
CLOMID 1TAB ED THIRD WEEK POST CYCLE
The EQ should be shot 3cc every three days
The Duratest should be broken up to twice a week.
The d-bol should be taken every 4 hours
Tons of water, tons of protein, and tons of calories.
rest rest rest!!!!
Make sure you have Nolvadex on hand just in case!!!

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posted July 30, 2000 12:45 AM            

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LoomisH mentions taking Proviron for a couple of weeks after discontinuing clomid. Since the search is still not working, can anybody enlighten men on Proviron?

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posted July 30, 2000 12:59 AM            

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Keep the D-Bol the same. You do not want to go too high on the first cycle.

Also, the EQ dosage is too high. You should max it out at 300mg/week.

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